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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thomas,<br>
Thanks for the explanation. Is it felt that the taxes on energy
there are unevenly or unreasonably applied? What would be the
rational for NG prices to be so proportionally high?<br>
Is this not significantly different than all the rest of the EU? <br>
<br>
Historical price patterns have changed here too with NG costing a
small fraction of heating oil (and of your NG). Two societies
here; the piped and the un-piped. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
On 29/07/2012 1:45 PM, Thomas Koch wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-US">You are right – my explanatiion is not very
clear.
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lang="EN-US">In Denmark the electricity price that a
producer can sell at varies between 4 and 10 €c/kWh – most
of the time – 5-7 €c/kWh. On top of that is a green premium
to guaranteed price. For gasifiers it is 10 €c/kWh – 74,5
øre/kWh - as far as I remember. The comsumer pays aprox 30
€c/kWh.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">If you use natural gas you pay approx. 1,2 €/m3
~ 11-12 €c/kWh + plus cost of gas furnace.
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lang="EN-US">In this market where a gasifier can sell
electricity for 100 €/MWh and heat at 70-80-90 €/MWh (due to
the losses in the transmission grid there are no money to
pay the extra investment from a biomass boiler to a biomass
gasifier. If you also take in account that the char losses
on tha gasifier can be 4-10 times higher than for a boiler
you end up at a loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">This calculations can be different for
different locations – eg. in Italy there has been extremely
high green premiums (250-300 €/MWh) for a period. But it
does not really help if the technology developers does not
trust the Italian politicians.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>På vegne af </b>Alex English<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 29. juli 2012 19:21<br>
<b>Til:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Gasification] Potential Gasification
Winner?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thomas,<br>
I don't understand your comment.<br>
Could you describe how the price of heat and electricity
have changed to make "heat more expensive than electricity".<br>
Thanks,<br>
Alex English<br>
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On 29/07/2012 8:23 AM, Thomas Koch wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">But - now heat is more expensive than
electricity – and the cost level we have reached is 2-10
times the market price.
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lang="EN-US">And of course none of the plants are no where
near a commercial product (apart from one that is close to
– but 2-4 times too expensive) because the investors are
looking for projects that have a chance of being
competitive with in 2-10 years.
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