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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tom,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks for the input. The NPR story makes us
sound like idiots for not having similar programs in the US. Somehow, I
had assumed that only with tax incentives, could such a program be viable.
I am probably the most ignorant member of the group, but I have wondered why
each city in the US doesn't install a gasifier plant to deal with the waste
brush. For the ignorant, it would seem viable and reduce some of what we
bury. Waste wood from homebuilding, old concrete forms, old fences,
Christmas trees, old pallets and all the trees that are knocked down for
new construction plus the trees that are trimmed equate to a lot of BTU's.
I am in San Antonio and we at lease make mulch from so of the waste wood.I
assume most other US cities do at least that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Gersch</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 05, 2012 10:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] Sweden's
trash project</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=black size=2 face=arial><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"
face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></FONT>There are quite a few waste
incinerators in Europe. Italy has sent it's trash by train to Germany to be
incinerated. There are some gasifiers there also. One Norwegian firm has an
incinerator design that doesn't produce dioxins above regulatory limits, but
all are very expensive, one 300 tpd gasifier system is valued at $300mm. Some
of the existing incinerators do not meet emissions levels, but the government
has not shut them down as there is no option otherwise. EU capital and sale of
electricity pricing is heavily subsidized by the government and does not
compete in other parts of the world. One group had 4 dual stage
"gasifier" but actually combustor systems in Europe, all have been
shut down for emissions reasons, lack of continuing subsidies, expense of
operation and the only remaining one operating that I know of is in Japan.
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<DIV style="CLEAR: both"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face=arial>Sincerely,</FONT><BR>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif">Leland T.
"Tom" Taylor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thermogenics
Inc. </FONT></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
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Message-----<BR>From: Robert Gersch <Robert@rkgenterprises.com><BR>To:
'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
<gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>Sent: Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:47
am<BR>Subject: [Gasification] Sweden's trash project<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Below is a link to a NPR story on Sweden's
conversion of trash to energy. There is no mention of the method
used. Does anyone know if this is gasification? If you read the
article, other countries are paying Sweden to take their trash and Sweden
produces energy from it. Is there a chance that this could actually be
cost effective?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/28/163823839/sweden-wants-your-trash?ft=3&f=111787346&sc=nl&cc=es-20121104"
target=_blank>http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/28/163823839/sweden-wants-your-trash?ft=3&f=111787346&sc=nl&cc=es-20121104</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks</FONT></DIV></DIV><!-- end of AOLMsgPart_2_1fe999d4-a6a2-4f84-be31-af03a5fddb0d -->
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