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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> Governing is important and part of this can be to use an adjustable air/fuel mixture control. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> As to my question as to what to do with char, the point was that char as fixed carbon represents a significant amount of the heating value of the feedstock and not gasifying it which requires higher temperature than pyrolysis that produces char, means that the system's efficiency is much lower than if it were gasified. Not converting char has significant reduction in thermal efficiency. Technically, it isn't a gasifier if the carbon conversion </span></font></div>
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From: Greg Manning <a31ford@gmail.com><br>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier<br>
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<div style="">The work I've done involves much of what is in this thread.</div>
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<div style="">First off, the governor is more important that the gasifier's ability to perform. Myself, I'm using the Woodward "L series " programmable units, they are "all in one" and can be configured for just about anything you can throw at it, even droop, and ramp up.</div>
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<div style="">Because they (Woodward) use a HAL effect sensor on the teeth of the flywheel, the regulation can be set "tight" or "loose" (as needed by the local utility)</div>
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<div style="">The L series meets all the spec's to conform to IEEE power transmission standards of the North American Grid, be it Local or Interstate, interconnection.</div>
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<div class="aolmail_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Tom Miles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">Tom,<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">Burn it or bury it. Burn it to recover the energy as direct heat. Bury it in compost, blend it, or direct use. <u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">I think the Proton model is based on recovering the char. You’ll have to ask them directly.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:">What do you do with the bio-char? I do not want to hear of it's use in agriculture as an economic solution as it has spotty performance, limited market radius and a marketing cost. </span></span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Tom Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>><br>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
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<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Spanner Re2. Contact Thomas Bleul </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style=""><a target="_blank" href="http://www.holz-kraft.de/de/?option=com_content&view=article&id=105&Itemid=2">http://www.holz-kraft.de/de/?option=com_content&view=article&id=105&Itemid=2</a> </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">-256367.pdf </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">The company makes automotive equipment and moved into renewable energy and </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">wood heating appliances a few years ago. </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">For Proton the first commercial unit is being commissioned a the Wamplers </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Sausage site linked on their site. I think that they have run a 110 kWe </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">From: Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Behalf Of Thomas Koch </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 9:10 AM </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">I have never heard about the spanner gasifier - do you have a reference? </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">The proton system have a lot of very promising claims - where can it be seen </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">in reality? </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Fra: Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] På </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">vegne af Tom Miles </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Sendt: 9. juli 2013 18:00 </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"> <tt><span style="">Emne: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style=""> </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Spanner 45 kWe <a target="_blank" href="http://spanner-joos-vergaser.de/joomla/">http://spanner-joos-vergaser.de/joomla/</a> This is intended for </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">base load >80% of capacity. Reportedly 150 in operation. 6,000-8,000 hours </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">of operation per year in several units. </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Proton Power 250-500 kWe <a target="_blank" href="http://www.protonpower.com/">http://www.protonpower.com/</a> First commercial </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">installation </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style=""><a target="_blank" href="http://www.protonpower.com/2012/07/24/wamplers-farm-sausage-chyp-system-pion">http://www.protonpower.com/2012/07/24/wamplers-farm-sausage-chyp-system-pion</a> </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">From: Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Behalf Of Thomas Koch </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:33 AM </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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<tt><u></u><u></u></tt></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="">Do you have any references to this gasifier? - and web page? </span></tt><span style=""><br>
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