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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=psanders@ilstu.edu href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul Anderson</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=biochar@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification</A> ; <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> ; <A title=solarbobky@yahoo.com
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com">Bob Fairchild</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [biochar] Re: [Gasification]
Chunking wood for small scale biochar production, fotos !</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Kevin,<BR><BR>I want to know about any and all
reasonable devices that work. Reality now trumps specifications
and expenses of R&D.</DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial># OK.... perhaps you could
start with:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial>1: A description of the
biomass feed materials to be handled... species, size, etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial>2: A description of the
"end product" that would be suitable for the applications you have in mind,
such as species, moisture content, permissable dimension range for the end
product, etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial>3: Desired production rate,
eg, kg/hr, tonnes/hr, etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial>4: Approximate permissable
cost</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial>5: Approximate sales
potential, in units per year</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3
face=Arial> </FONT><BR>Personally, I lack the mechanical knowledge and
the time to do this myself. But I KNOW it is important, and I turn
to my friends on the Listservs, with gratitude for whatever can be
accomplished.</DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial># You don't need mechanical
knowledge at this stage... all you need is to tell the list what you want, in
more specific terms. </FONT><BR><FONT size=3 face=Arial>In many cases, "The
biggest part of the problem is defining the problem, and the limitations to
its potential solution."</FONT><BR><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Paul<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</A></PRE></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 1/8/2014 12:45 PM, Kevin wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>As per my previous e-mail, (copy appended below the
******** line) you really should describe the job you want done, so that
designers would at least have some "starting specifications" on which to
base their estimated cost.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Do you want someone to design and build them for you
to re-sell, or do you want a suitable "set of plans" that you could sell or
give to people.? Or perhaps you have some other arrangement in
mind?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=psanders@ilstu.edu href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz="true">Paul
Anderson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz="true">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" moz="true">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</A> ; <A title=biochar@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"
moz="true">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A title=solarbobky@yahoo.com
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com" moz="true">Bob Fairchild</A> ; <A
title=rsvanetten@hotmail.com href="mailto:rsvanetten@hotmail.com"
moz="true">Ron Vanetten</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 08, 2014
2:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [biochar] Re: [Gasification]
Chunking wood for small scale biochar production, fotos !</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>To all,<BR><BR>Yes, it certainly seems to be a
chunker. Yes, the wood seem weak, but the machine seems
adequate.<BR><BR>See also:<BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3hsWyuyTg"
moz="true">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3hsWyuyTg</A><BR><BR>Seem to
be in some Slavic language? Do we have any further
information? All seems sufficiently inexpensive for many of
us, and could be appropriate for someone in a developing country to make a
living going around chunking people's low-value branches. And
there seem to be other videos suggested by YouTube.<BR><BR>I request
assistance from someone(s) with mechanical talents to help bring such
technology to our understands (and ability to replicate and improve as
necessary). <BR><BR>The issue is not the power source
(electric or small gasoline or ??). The issue is the breaking
and/or chunking of such biomass.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</A>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.drtlud.com" moz="true">www.drtlud.com</A></PRE>On
1/7/2014 10:35 PM, Pete & Sheri wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’d
certainly call that one a chunker. But I noticed that at least one
of the branches broke in half as it was fed in. Maybe some pretty
rotten wood?<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If the
machine can do that kind of work with solid wood it seems to be a good
contender.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">At
least for a little while. (It does jump around
some).<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Pete
Stanaitis<O></O></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">----------------<O></O></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Gasification [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz="true">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Cesar Casanova<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 07,
2014 9:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] Chunking wood for
small scale biochar production, fotos !<O></O></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hi, Is this a chunker or wood chipper?<O></O></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4GUEq_ubkw"
moz="true">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4GUEq_ubkw</A><O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Cesar<O></O></P>
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face=Arial>*******************************************************************************************</FONT></P><FONT
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca href="mailto:kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca"
moz="true">Kevin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=biochar@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"
moz="true">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A title=mark@ludlow.com
href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com" moz="true">Mark Ludlow</A> ; <A
title=energiesnaturals@gmx.de href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de"
moz="true">'energiesnaturals'</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" moz="true">'Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves'</A> ; <A title=solarbobky@yahoo.com
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com" moz="true">'Bob Fairchild'</A> ; <A
title=rsvanetten@hotmail.com href="mailto:rsvanetten@hotmail.com"
moz="true">'Ron Vanetten'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 06, 2014
2:46 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [biochar] Re:
[Stoves] Chaff cutters and wood choppers</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The request is like the question: "How long is a
piece of string"? :-) There are many different potential chaff cutter
and wood chopper designs. There are as many as there are "potential
applications." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Some of the variables may include:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Production rate required.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Manual or machine power</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Feed material</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Desired "cut product size and
shape.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Need for screening and sizing of product or
not?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Portability</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Durability</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Potential annual sales for each specific
product</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Permissible price for a product or specific
device to accomplish a specific task</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>These variables, and the "necessary features"
required, must be specified before it is possible to configure a
suitable design and to estimate a cost "at the factory gate."
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So, if you required a "cutter" or "chopper" to
make a fuel suitable for TLUD's, you should specify all the relevant
properties and features that would be necessary for a Designer to
configure a product design that would meet your needs. However, the
Designer should know how much the Customer could afford to pay for the
final product, so that he will know if it is even possible to build a
product that will be affordable to the Target Customer. Additionally,
the Designer needs to know the expected sales volume per year, so that
he can figure in the economies of scale in developing
prices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=psanders@ilstu.edu href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
moz="true">Paul Anderson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mark@ludlow.com
href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com" moz="true">Mark Ludlow</A> ; <A
title=biochar@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"
moz="true">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
title=energiesnaturals@gmx.de href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de"
moz="true">'energiesnaturals'</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" moz="true">'Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves'</A> ; <A title=solarbobky@yahoo.com
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com" moz="true">'Bob Fairchild'</A> ;
<A title=rsvanetten@hotmail.com href="mailto:rsvanetten@hotmail.com"
moz="true">'Ron Vanetten'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 04,
2014 4:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [biochar] Re:
[Stoves] Chaff cutters and wood choppers</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Mark,<BR><BR>I am not good at estimating
price points, and the number of variations (feeder rollers,
flywheel, thickness of sticks) are so numerous that to say a price
without specifying all the rest might not be very
realistic. So, as a NON-engineer, I request
assistance from other readers about price vs features.
<BR><BR>Even if I purchased one for where I live (Illinois, USA), my
usage would be limited, and not related to amounts like
tons. And to export from Mexico to Africa would be in
the same league as importing cutters from India, meaning:
difficult.<BR><BR>I would like to know what could be accomplished at
different price points. Is that a reasonable place to
start? (I hope others will comment. And
maybe something can be accomplished.)<BR><BR>Mark, where are you in
Mexico, and when did you move there? Greetings to your
wife.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</A>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.drtlud.com/" moz="true">www.drtlud.com</A></PRE>On
1/4/2014 2:23 AM, Mark Ludlow wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi Paul,<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It would be useful if you
could state a price point that would make equipment like this
realistic. The machine Rolf describes is typical, but I appreciate
the fact that limbs and trunks are fed at an angle. Shearing at an
angle reduces the shear force required and thus increases the
output per unit of power input. I could build a no-frills (except
for safety systems) chipper like the one Rolf describes, here in
México, at cost, if you are interested. México is the
productivity-adjusted, lowest-cost producer in the world, as of
2014. Yet many are unemployed.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If you tell me some
number, say $/MT of green input, this gives us a target to design
against. I think that energy-storage (flywheel) to accommodate
impulse loading may work, but the amount of energy required is
easily calculated and is reflected in the nominal hourly-input
rating.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
will support development costs (as a non-profit) if you will tell
me there is a market for XXX Machines at XXX Cost on the
horizon.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=ES-MX>Buen Viajo en Africa!<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=ES-MX>Mark<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=ES-MX><O></O></SPAN></P>
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class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"
moz="true">mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Paul
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