<div dir="ltr"> <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Dear DoDuc, Stephen, and Dan D,Kevin</span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> It appears very good hypothesis provided by kevin regaring how the c02 and h2 is obtained via electrochemical method, now there also other possibility the product can be no stable h2 gas molecule but atomic hydrogen , now a dayes hho gas is proved to be more atomic than molecules ,which more stable , proved by eletronic configurations </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> The hypothesis regard to liquid products is via known syngas fisher tropic all these route leading known hydocarbons ,GTL from syngas via polimerization to synfuel.. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> As the catalyst used is Fe as well is the product is jet fuel intermediate carbon not as the gas , very low or diesel very high , methy radical from methane form via atomic H H can explain the energy balance .</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> It is provaen fact now the Formula 1 based car travel long distance with h as fuel . This energy content can be well explianed as atomic HH atom are well combined via catalyst via not only olefins such as etylene but aslo methane methy radical , not conventional FT syntysis alone can explian as the catalyst was modified one of FT.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Kevin bring here one important point i was not able t yet claer is about c02 using acids .the paer says acidified waterv release, but made it clear how , even though very clear after removal of c02 , the ph go down , then h from anode sodium hydroxide is formed .can any elerto chemical expert explain why 3 chambers , to make clear the one concept expliained well by kelvin what happen in evey chamber'</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> The pyrogas from bio oil and veg oil into biogasoline can reduce the problem of in put energy need , requirements thermodynamics , can make possible an viable biosynfuel using limited solar based eletrochemical...</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> The input and out over all balance here correctly questioned by all need come from nuclear , but can be from biomaas or biomass derieved bio oils via pyrolysis .This can be more flexible biofuel abundant from biomass wastes</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Thanks </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Pannir </span></div>
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</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:42 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bayent@ns.sympatico.ca" target="_blank">bayent@ns.sympatico.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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> Dear DoDuc, Stephen, and Dan D<br>
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> #The Patent Number would seem to be:<br>
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> We also note, that, in at least one of our prior reports, the one concerning "US Patent 8,435,457 - Synthesis of Hydrocarbons Via Catalytic Reduction of CO2" specifically, we made an error in the transcription of patent numbers in our excerpts, which sadly might have contributed to confusion on the part of those interested enough to search the available electronic records themselves.<br>
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> # This is no big deal... simply degas seawater to recover the CO2 dissolved in it, perhaps with assistance of a bit of acid to break up carbonates. To get hydrogen, simply electrolyze the water. Once they have the CO2, they simply add more energy to break it up into CO. Then they can make Synthesis Gas, and then they can make hydrocarbon fuels.<br>
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> # They don't say where they get the energy to electrolyze the water. That is "the Elephant in the Room" that they don't address. :-) The original article is highly misleading, and seems to suggest that the Navy can simply take seawater and run its ships from it, to meet its energy requirements.<br>
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> Kevin<br>
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> ----- Original Message -----<br>
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> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:41 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Try this better address for the article.<br>
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> I agree with Stephen.<br>
> The critical part (energy wise) is energy to produce H2, which as stated, should come from either nuclear or any other non-fossil-fuels like wind, solar...<br>
> The second part, as I understood, is the synthesis of H2 and CO2 under the Fischer-Tropsch catalyst.<br>
> Part 1 is often hided to the public as they would like to emphasize their contribution in Part 2, as well as to please the tax-payers that they are doing great thing.<br>
> More scientific background can be found here with some evidence of the Navy's Patents:<br>
> <a href="http://www.wvcoal.com/research-development/us-navy-harvests-co2-from-seawater-for-hydrocarbon-synthesis.html" target="_blank">http://www.wvcoal.com/research-development/us-navy-harvests-co2-from-seawater-for-hydrocarbon-synthesis.html</a><br>
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> Few cents from my side.<br>
> D.D.Tuong<br>
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> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM, <<a href="mailto:sabbadess@aol.com">sabbadess@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dan,<br>
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> There is a huge amount of energy in a gallon of jet fuel. The only power source remotely big enough is the ship's nuclear reactor.<br>
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> Stephen Abbadessa<br>
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> Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 9:51 pm<br>
> Subject: [Gasification] Try this better address for the article.<br>
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> Article didn't copy right first time Try this.<br>
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> <a href="http://www.ibtimes.com/goodbye-oil-us-navy-cracks-new-renewable-energy-technology-turn-seawater-fuel-allowing-1568455" target="_blank">http://www.ibtimes.com/goodbye-oil-us-navy-cracks-new-renewable-energy-technology-turn-seawater-fuel-allowing-1568455</a><br>
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> Where does the energy come from the crack the seawater? Anyone? Anyone?<br>
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