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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Paul,<br>
<br>
I did understand that what I was describing was very similar to
what I observed Chip Energy factory site during CHAB Camp, and so
I have been thinking of something similar ~ yet not <i>exactly</i>
the same, because we don't necessarily need a "full big system",
although one important aspect would be to have the "heat
exchanger/water pump, etc.", which (incidentally) I never saw in
operation while I was there in 2010.<br>
<br>
Since you say that the unit "it is not a 'plug and play' system"
(I did fully understand that it is a "project", and certainly not
just "a turn-key product"), and that it would require "support
including some R&D for the specific application/location",
this is in fact what I should be able to provide -- as an
"engineering technologist", this is what I do best -- and given my
background in factory automation and more recently in supporting
the bioenergy and biochar industries over these last few years, I
believe that (given a bit more training... and time on the system
getting familiar with its nuances) I could easily provide this
type of project ans system support [and training] for this
particular client (as well as for any future systems as they are
deployed in cities and towns across Ontario/Canada or elsewhere ~
once the 'core technologies' for this specific application --
and/or other similar applications -- have been developed and
fine-tuned, in cooperation with both the client and the technology
provider).<br>
<br>
Note: In my communications with the client I have made it clear,
and they do understand, that there would be some expense in terms
of initial R&D since these types of specific systems
[applications] that they are asking for have (as far as I know)
not been "commercialized" (as yet). They do seem to be quite
willing to "break some ground" on this however, and seem to have
some funds (and enthusiasm) that may allow us to move forward with
something (however small or crude the system might be, initially).<br>
[Your experience with chipping/grinding waste feedstocks like
pallets sounds like it would be quite useful as well, to help
prevent repeating any 'mis-steps' that might have already been
overcome by others.]<br>
<br>
P.S. I rarely ever change the Subject line... although I know that
I probably <i>should</i>. (To me it's the <i>least</i> important
part of the message and I rarely pay any attention to it.)<br>
<br>
P.P.S. The only other "candidate (technology)" for this particular
project that has been discussed (so far) was the suggestion made
by Crispin to use the "Wood burning BLDD 6" system from the SeTAR
Centre In Johannesburg, although I am not certain [it was not made
clear] whether that system can easily extract the biochar.<br>
Note: We are also <u>not</u> looking to make a "Cookstove", but
rather, are seeking ways to heat water and/or use the system for
"roasting" their specific ingredients (@ ~140 Celsius max.).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"> Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.biochar-consulting.ca">www.biochar-consulting.ca</a>
48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada
905-707-8754
CELL: 647-886-8754
Skype: lloyd.helferty
Steering Committee coordinator
Canadian Biochar Initiative (CBI)
CURRENTS, A working group of Science for Peace
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scienceforpeace.ca/currents/">http://www.scienceforpeace.ca/currents/</a>
President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
National Office, Canadian Carbon Farming Initiative (CCFI)
Organizing team member, 2013 N/A Biochar Symposium:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.carbon-negative.us/symposium">www.carbon-negative.us/symposium</a>
Member of the Don Watershed Regeneration Council (DWRC)
Manager, Biochar Offsets Group:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2446475">http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2446475</a>
Advisory Committee Member, IBI
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404717">http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404717</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42237506675">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42237506675</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://groups.google.com/group/biochar-ontario">http://groups.google.com/group/biochar-ontario</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.meetup.com/biocharontario/">http://www.meetup.com/biocharontario/</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.biocharontario.ca">http://www.biocharontario.ca</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.biochar.ca">www.biochar.ca</a>
"Producing twice as much food with diminishing resources, without further loss of natural habitats and biodiversity and in a changing climate may be the greatest challenge facing humanity."
- Lloyd Helferty</pre>
On 2014-05-21 10:39 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Lloyd,<br>
<br>
1. You should change the Subject line to reflect the topic.<br>
<br>
2. I think Crispin is not subscribed to the Gasification
Listserv, so I am sending my reply plus your message to him.<br>
<br>
3. What you describe (including making biochar) is most closely
met by the Chip Energy Biomass Furnace. See <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.chipenergy.com">www.chipenergy.com</a>
The realities are:<br>
<br>
a. $50,000 for the full big system; To fit on a pallet-size
footprint, the $15,000 for the stripped system is without heat
exchanger/water pump, etc.<br>
b. With 4 units commercially made, we know that it works.
However, it is a unit that should have support including some
R&D for the specific application/location; it is not a "plug
and play" system.<br>
c. Your expectations about using a wide variety of dry biomass
fuels would require R&D at the expense of the operator.
Fuel from shipping pallets sounds easy, but the metal nails and
bolts prohibit "chipping" and require a grinder with magnet to
extract the metal (significant effort/investment). <br>
<br>
Chip Energy is interested in such a project, but it is a
project, not just a turn-key product. Contact me for further
details. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> <br>
<br>
Please let us know if there are other candidates for that
project.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 5/20/2014 2:14 PM, Lloyd Helferty wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Crispin (and all), [CC;
gasification list]<br>
<br>
This is a very interesting conversation regarding ND TLUD
power (heat) variability and its implications, and (as you
know) I do have a keen interest in this topic since being
introduced to the TLUD 'stove' concept back several years ago
(by Dr. Anderson, when he came to Ontario to demonstrate his
small "Champion" stove and similar devices at the Laepple farm
in June 2009), especially since the TLUD is one of the few
simple technologies that can produce biochar cleanly at a
small (or possibly at a medium) scale for local use ~ while
producing (hopefully) useful amounts of energy (heat).<br>
<br>
What I am working on right now here in Toronto might
interest you or others on this list.<br>
I have been approached by a business in Toronto that would
like to be able to implement a small-scale char-making
technology at their manufacturing site in the Toronto area
(GTA) that would utilize the (dry) 'residuals' from their food
production process in order to make heat energy that could
lower their (fossil) energy use [natural gas costs] while also
turning their (dry) 'food waste' into a biochar (and/or
high-char ash) that could be re-integrated back into a (wet)
food composting system (vermicompost) that is already being
implemented onsite at their operations here in the city.<br>
<br>
The primary use of the heat would be to heat up water, but it
would also be welcome if it could be used in the preparation
of the 'raw' food (drying, roasting certain products to a
certain temperature -- i.e. an 'oven') that goes into their
recipes, which includes 'fair-trade' sourced (temperate and
tropical) foodstuffs that have been either grown or imported
into Canada in bulk, and which are prepared on-site (including
de-hulling etc. of several of the key ingredients).<br>
Essentially, this company would like to know if it might be
possible to come up with either a "customized" or an
"off-the-shelf" system that has a fairly small footprint
(about the size of a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallet#Dimensions">shipping
pallet</a>, or ~16 sq. ft = 40" × 48", as commonly used in
the food industry) that would be able to meet the following
requirements:<br>
<br>
<ul>
<li>Provides space heating and/or hot water heating (for
their kitchen), with the possibility also for using the
heat for "roasting" their ingredients (@ ~140 Celsius max.
-- possibly using a heat exchanger, if necessary).</li>
<li>something flexible and rugged</li>
<li>can accept multiple fuel inputs (different sized
feedstocks, different moisture/energy content -- not just
woodchips)</li>
<li>no smoky emissions (after-burner, if necessary) so that
it can meet local emissions regs<br>
</li>
</ul>
<br>
Of course they are interested also in custom of "commercial"
gasifiers [as well], but small systems (stoves) that could do
the job they are seeking might suffice, although they probably
want the system to be as automated (hands off) as possible to
that the minimum amount of human intervention is required...
although it would need to be as low-cost as possible (almost a
"DIY" system -- they could actually make it themselves since
they do have some expertise, including a machinist & a
"master builder" who has built and operated a series of
gassifier stoves for several years and "who is more than
capable of manufacturing" something -- if they had the 'plans'
for an open-source system/design that could do the job).<br>
<br>
Ideally this company would be interested in seeing 2 or 3
designs that might work for them (a few devices that they
could initially assess)... so that they could work with the
designers to get more details. They would then choose a final
design that they would then incorporate into their head office
(operations), but then possibly also into a "franchise system"
that they are designing (and that would operate like a "food
truck" would in <i>any</i> city ~ except instead of the truck
being electricity or natural gas or propane-powered, the
'portable' food production/processing system would operate
partially off of its own 'waste'... and/or wood chips [or
pellets] that could be produced or supplied locally ~ possibly
even from chipped shipping pallets that have <i>only</i>
transported food products -- i.e. clean, 'food-grade' "green
waste" like the type that can be found at the back of nearly
every supermarket in the country... including all the broken
ones.)<br>
<br>
<pallets pic><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"> Lloyd Helferty
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