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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">All the gasification concepts I am aware of that are “just a little” close to a technical definition of “working” loose between 1/3 and 2/3 og
the energy in parasitic losses if they are fired with biomass – thus REAL invention is needed
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]
<b>På vegne af </b>Tom Miles<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 29. september 2014 03:03<br>
<b>Til:</b> 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Gasification] New Gasification Project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Good question. I haven’t followed Red rock.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Koch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] New Gasification Project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What type of gasifier du they use?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>På vegne af </b>Tom Miles<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 28. september 2014 20:34<br>
<b>Til:</b> 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Gasification] New Gasification Project</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The Lakeview projects picks up after a failed $100 million biomass project there by
<a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iberdrola.es%2Fabout-us%2Flines-business%2Fpower%2F&ei=VVEoVNDTK8uwigKf2YHACQ&usg=AFQjCNFWi2vcKxPabr7LqUiIsEpriZcJhw&sig2=X0onbOS_zs10iNFxEboqQg&bvm=bv.76247554,d.cGE">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Iberdrola</span></a> who reportedly stopped in 2011/2012 due to the lack of a suitable power purchase agreement and uncertainties about the California renewable portfolio standards. They were also looking
for higher emissions allowances than permitted on the site. The infrastructure is there. The resource can be expensive if it is coming from forest restoration. That project would have consumed 160,000 tpy biomass. The Red Rock project is looking for 140,00
tpy. That’s equivalent to a 14-16 MWe power plant which is the smallest standalone biomass plant that you would build today due to economies of scale. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Is there enough margin and market for a new technology? Lots of challenges. We’ll see. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">AK></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It gets even worse. They plan to build their gasification plant in Lakeview, OR. That
area has what we in Western Oregon call a "shrub forest" compared to the density and size of the trees along the Pacific Coast.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">They must have struck a pretty good financial deal to make them site their plant in a fairly challenging resource area.<br>
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Art </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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