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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>There’s a R&B lyric that has a line to the effect: “Nuthin’ from nuthin’ leaves nuthin’”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>A good idea? Potentially worth billions. Realistically, ain’t worth doo-doo. Idea people are crushed to hear this because they do not understand the marketplace of ideas. People go to Wharton and Harvard and Stanford to make “angel” connections; to raise that first ½-mil. Then, they need that management team. Don’t forget Social Media Presence (these days!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Anybody on this list make it on their own? Other than cutting and welding and making good journeyman wages?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Best wishes for success to all. (Been there!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 06, 2015 1:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] [Stoves] Request for proposals: Medical Waste Incinerator for Humanitarian Emergencies from Innocentive<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>you are quite correct to point out about reading the fine print. For the same reasons of compromising my intellectual property rights I did not enter the woodstove retrofit challenge. <a href="http://www.pscleanair.org/priorities/woodheating/woodstoveprogram/Pages/WSChallenge.aspx">http://www.pscleanair.org/priorities/woodheating/woodstoveprogram/Pages/WSChallenge.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This was all explained to them in length, both in email and on the phone. That is quite unfortunate because none of the finalists have combustion improving technology, which is the category my IntensiFire falls into, but simply different ways of dealing with stack emissions. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The prize of more testing didn't appear to be helpful in pushing the technology toward certification either, testing is no good without an objective to meet. I still have your counsel in my head Paul regarding testing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On a more philosophical note I will say that this scenario highlights the weakness of science, considered by many to be the holy grail of civilisation as we know it. A contest, or a stove test, is a bit like a science experiment. The outcome of an experiment can only be as good as the person that designed that experiment. Add in a good dose of genuflection and you have a new established "fact" or "winner" that could in fact be highly questionable. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Jason<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>To all,<br><br>If you are considering doing this, you should first check the details about what you are giving up if you should happen to win. This is akin to the Virgin Earth Challenge. THEY end up with a set of rights and the proposer gets some money. But if you do not win, they still have some lingering rights that you might not like.<br><br>Paul<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 9/6/2015 6:15 AM, Michal Usowicz wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hey everyone,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I thought this might be right up your guys' alley. Innocentive is a website that organizations can post design challenges with rewards for proposals that they accept. There was recently a post for a portable, durable medical waste incinerator. Check it out if you think you may have a good contribution to make. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><a href="https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9933340" target="_blank">https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9933340</a><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>NOTE: I have nothing to do with this proposal/request. I'm just forwarding it to you guys. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Michal Usowicz<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Stoves mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>