<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Tom,<br><br></div>Please send me more articles, or links to them. I am very interested...<br></div><br>Cheers,<br><br></div>Terrey<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Tom,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the info about humic acids, etc. I will be dependent on
you and others to see that further research and confirmations, etc
take place.<br>
<br>
About biochar, you have different perceptions than I have. For
one, I never refer to it as "activated". <br>
You wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:small">It is not soluble in water, acids or
bases and cannot be used by soil microbes to form cells. </span></font></blockquote>
<font face="arial">I TOTALLY AGREE, and I consider those to be major
FAVORABLE characteristics. Cell of soil microbes (and plants)
contain carbon that comes primarily from CO2 in the atmosphere,
not from carbon in the soil.<br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial">I am currently on a work trip in Africa</font><font face="arial"> without much time for full responses (but I do read
the messages). I will let others make further comments if this
discussion continues. <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
</font><span class=""> <br>
<pre cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
</span><div>On 10/24/2015 4:19 AM, <a href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target="_blank">linvent@aol.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial;color:black;font-size:10pt"><span style="display:inline-block"></span></div>
<div> <span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>B<font face="arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:small">io char
is charcoal, when treated with steam and chemicals, can
become activated charcoal with higher porosity, surface area
and subsequent reactivity for adsorbing materials. However,
it's cation exchange capacity, the ability to transfer
cations in the soil is limited to perhaps 30-40
milliequivalents/100 grams. It is not soluble in water,
acids or bases and cannot be used by soil microbes to form
cells. There is no set of standard shown benefits to the
soil over a longer term application regime showing either
continuing increase in production, reduction in water use or
other benefit. In my opinion, it is not a "sustainable"
compound because it will not continue to show <u><b>economic</b></u>
benefits when applied over an extended period. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:small"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>One
other aspect is that it's production has a by-product,
pyrolygenious liquors that are basically the condensed
volatiles and water from heating it. There isn't much value
to the components of this complex mix, and disposing of it
is difficult. Producers like Kingsford Charcoal and Calgon
activated charcoal companies have their capital in these
types of systems to avoid EPA penalties. They are not
cheap. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:small"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>The
naturally occurring compounds humic acids are much more
effective and infinitely more complex than bio-char and much
more studied. Kononova of Russia published volumes on these
compounds, Environmental Science and Technology has also
published a myriad of articles on them, and they are still a
mystery, but what is known is that they are very soil active
and have a cation exchange capacity of from 800-1200
milliequivalents/100 grams, and also are water, acid and
base soluble, different fractions having different
solubility's. They can be used to support microbial growth
or suppress it at different concentrations, as an example
above 40 PPM C, they suppress algae growth, below it, they
enhance it and very significantly. Most contain naturally
occurring very powerful, immortal microbes that can eat
polyethylene, metals, tires and other rather stable
compounds</span></font><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">, I know
because in my production company where we mined and bagged the
humic acid material, our polyethylene bags would last 60-120
days before being eaten up between the bags inside a cool
warehouse without sunlight. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Humic
acids are also limited in their economic sustainability as
repeated application will cause the soil to become depleted of
essential nutrients for plant growth and stop performing.
Having a sharper pick or shovel doesn't make the mine last
longer, just get the minerals out faster. Over the decades we
have developed a soil and plant nutritional program which
unexcelled, being able to take the worse or best plant growing
situation and make it much better with very little input. We
have found that the standard fertilizers damage soils and if
supplemented with or without humic acids but with the right
minerals and forms, become spectacularly productive. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>We
have been forced out of business by the overzealous
environmentalists who don't care what their final effect is,
but being a mining operation, were determined to get us to
comply with two agencies who violated federal court orders,
and prohibitively expensive compliance requirements. With
this, we have created compounds that work as well and better
than humic acid based materials. The website
<a href="http://www.agronicsinc.com" target="_blank">www.agronicsinc.com</a> goes into some of the benefits, and there
are many more including serious remediation of really nasty
situations including mercury contaminated soils around natural
gas wells. By the way, natural gas contains methyl mercury
which is the most toxic forms and one of the most on earth,
there is no way to get it out of the human body. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>To
anyone who is interested, there are also technical articles
available I can send. </span></div>
<div><font face="arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:small"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span></font></div>
<div style="font-family:arial;color:black;font-size:10pt;clear:both"><span class=""><font face="arial">Sincerely,</font><br>
<div><font face="'Comic Sans MS',
sans-serif">Leland T. "Tom" Taylor</font></div>
</span><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif">Thermogenics Inc. </font></div>
</div><div><div class="h5">
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] Save the Date: Biochar 2016<br>
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Tom,<br>
<br>
Could BOTH efforts be useful, and maybe with the results
together being even better than each one separately?<br>
<br>
Please help me understand the positive aspects of your
message, that is "soil changing organix compounds" and how
they might relate to biochar.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<pre cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a> Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div>On 10/23/2015 9:00 PM, <a href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target="_blank">linvent@aol.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial;color:black;font-size:10pt"><span style="display:inline-block"></span></div>
<div> What a monumental waste. If only these folks would
understand how limited their pursuit is and how basically
ineffective biochar is in relation to real soil changing
organic compounds. </div>
<div style="font-family:arial;color:black;font-size:10pt;clear:both"><font face="arial">Sincerely,</font><br>
<div><font face="'Comic
Sans MS', sans-serif">Leland T. "Tom" Taylor</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial,
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