<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><font size="2">Do you want to dry sewage, manure, pomace, DDG's or other biomass feedstock? </font><br>
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Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust<br>
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<br>
Thank you all for your replies and help.<br>
Andrew,Besides Dr Reed's handbook, Dr Mukunda from IISC India states the <br>
same in a paper of his.<br>
So I guess it is a rather safe assumption to say that you can dry wet <br>
biomass using the syngas genset's exhaust.<br>
If I find any experimental data, I will post them here.<br>
This is a very interesting topic for engineers (besides gasification <br>
itself).<br>
Best Regards to all<br>
Dimitris<br>
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Dear Dimitris,<br>
<br>
In Dr Reed's and Agua Das' handbook; illustrates a wet gas recycle plant for <br>
drying green (wet) biomass. This is a direct-contact heat-exchanger; where <br>
the engine-exhaust goes through the bed of fuel-particles. A high <br>
temperature fan with a sealed shaft-gland forces convection of gasses from <br>
the colder outlet to mix with the inlet engine-exhaust gas.<br>
<br>
There is much potential energy in Otto cycle engine exhaust; about a third <br>
of the total chemical energy in the engine's fuel. To capture this energy <br>
and heat a cartridge full of freshly cut, green hack-wood is the best use <br>
for this normally wasted heat. The cartridge full of very hot wood is then <br>
lifted out of the chamber, and quickly emptied into the gasifier.<br>
<br>
My own design makes an excess of dried wood, beginning at about the moisture <br>
of growing hardwood; In excess of gasifier/engine requirement at about 30 KW <br>
load to fuel 5.0 L eight cylinder Otto-cycle engine. Heavier engine loads <br>
are the only regime where the heat required is adequate. I measured about <br>
800 degrees Farenheight when the throttle-plate is operating more towards <br>
open continually<br>
<br>
Operator care must be excercised, because the wood will catch on fire, if <br>
allowed to cook beyond bone dry and golden brown. He watches the outlet <br>
temperature which should not exceed about 300 degrees Farenheight. Using <br>
wet-gas recycle, the whole batch-charge temperature rises at once, instead <br>
of burning only the wood at the inlet location, while wood particles at the <br>
outlet remains at the dew point as our friend Toby described. The wet-gas <br>
recycle fan is a very special machine, and is one of the kind.<br>
<br>
In order to fund more research; I am offering a used system. What are your <br>
requirement?<br>
<br>
Andrew Schofield<br>
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Hi Nicolo.<br>
Thank you (but I believe that giving me an offer is irrelevant to the<br>
purpose of this list, isn't it?)<br>
Now to the point:<br>
According to my calulations, if we consider that a saturated genset exhaust<br>
stream is @ 415 oC with absolute humidity of 800 gr/kgr (stream A, this is<br>
what I ask - if its humidity is correct) and we mix it 50%-50% with ambient<br>
air of 25 oC with 50% relative humidity(stream B), the resulting stream will<br>
be a mixture of about 220 oC with an absolute humidity ~400 gr/kgr(stream<br>
C).<br>
This mixture stream C has a drying potential, but I do not know if the<br>
assumption on stream A is correct.<br>
Any ideas?<br>
Best Regards<br>
Dimitris<br>
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Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
thank you for your replies,<br>
but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from<br>
physics point of view...<br>
Anybody?<br>
Best Regards<br>
Dimitris<br>
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> Hello all.<br>
> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset<br>
> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or absolute<br>
> humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
><br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Dimitris<br>
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> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but the<br>
> latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet<br>
> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even<br>
> ignite the biomass.<br>
> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:<br>
> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the<br>
> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could<br>
> be taken out below.<br>
> Seems simple...<br>
><br>
> best regards<br>
><br>
> Rolf<br>
><br>
><br>
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> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Hello all.<br>
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset<br>
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards<br>
>> Dimitris<br>
><br>
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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:48:27 +0100<br>
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hello<br>
we know we must offer our system<br>
is it ok?<br>
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2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <<br>
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> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
> thank you for your replies,<br>
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from<br>
> physics point of view...<br>
> Anybody?<br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Dimitris<br>
><br>
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> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
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> ><br>
> > Best Regards<br>
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> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but<br>
> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet<br>
> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even<br>
> ignite the biomass.<br>
> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:<br>
> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the<br>
> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff<br>
> could be taken out below.<br>
> > Seems simple...<br>
> ><br>
> > best regards<br>
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> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
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> >> Hello all.<br>
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
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> >><br>
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From: Toby Seiler <<a href="mailto:seilertechco@yahoo.com">seilertechco@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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Saturated means the gas contains all the water that it can hold and when it <br>
is put in contact with your wood, will condense into liquid water and give <br>
up 970 btu per pound of water that condenses. ? ?<br>
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Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
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but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from<br>
physics point of view...<br>
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> Hello all.<br>
> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset <br>
> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is <br>
> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or absolute <br>
> humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
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> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but the <br>
> latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet <br>
> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even <br>
> ignite the biomass.<br>
> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:<br>
> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the <br>
> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could <br>
> be taken out below.<br>
> Seems simple...<br>
><br>
> best regards<br>
><br>
> Rolf<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hello all.<br>
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset <br>
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is <br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or <br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards<br>
>> Dimitris<br>
><br>
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Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
thank you for your replies,<br>
but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from<br>
physics point of view...<br>
Anybody?<br>
Best Regards<br>
Dimitris<br>
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> Hello all.<br>
> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset <br>
> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is <br>
> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or absolute <br>
> humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
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> Best Regards<br>
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> Hallo Dimitris,<br>
><br>
> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but the <br>
> latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet <br>
> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even <br>
> ignite the biomass.<br>
> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:<br>
> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the <br>
> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could <br>
> be taken out below.<br>
> Seems simple...<br>
><br>
> best regards<br>
><br>
> Rolf<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hello all.<br>
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset <br>
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is <br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or <br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards<br>
>> Dimitris<br>
><br>
<br>
--<br>
??????,<br>
<br>
???????? ???????<br>
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2016-03-23 20:01 GMT+01:00 DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES <<br>
<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>>:<br>
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> Hi Nicolo.<br>
> Thank you (but I believe that giving me an offer is irrelevant to the<br>
> purpose of this list, isn't it?)<br>
> Now to the point:<br>
> According to my calulations, if we consider that a saturated genset<br>
> exhaust stream is @ 415 oC with absolute humidity of 800 gr/kgr (stream A,<br>
> this is what I ask - if its humidity is correct) and we mix it 50%-50% <br>
> with<br>
> ambient air of 25 oC with 50% relative humidity(stream B), the resulting<br>
> stream will be a mixture of about 220 oC with an absolute humidity ~400<br>
> gr/kgr(stream C).<br>
> This mixture stream C has a drying potential, but I do not know if the<br>
> assumption on stream A is correct.<br>
> Any ideas?<br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Dimitris<br>
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> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
> thank you for your replies,<br>
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from<br>
> physics point of view...<br>
> Anybody?<br>
> Best Regards<br>
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>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust<br>
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>> Hello all.<br>
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset<br>
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards<br>
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>> To: <a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
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>> Hallo Dimitris,<br>
>><br>
>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but<br>
>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry <br>
>> wet<br>
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or <br>
>> even<br>
>> ignite the biomass.<br>
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:<br>
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the<br>
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could<br>
>> be taken out below.<br>
>> Seems simple...<br>
>><br>
>> best regards<br>
>><br>
>> Rolf<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello all.<br>
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best Regards<br>
>>> Dimitris<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:48:27 +0100<br>
> From: Nicol? Cerni <<a href="mailto:cerni@altair-international.com">cerni@altair-international.com</a>><br>
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
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> hello<br>
> we know we must offer our system<br>
> is it ok?<br>
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> 2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <<br>
> <a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>>:<br>
><br>
> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
>> thank you for your replies,<br>
>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from<br>
>> physics point of view...<br>
>> Anybody?<br>
>> Best Regards<br>
>> Dimitris<br>
>><br>
>> On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, <a href="mailto:gasification-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
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>> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
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>> > Hallo Dimitris,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but<br>
>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry <br>
>> wet<br>
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or <br>
>> even<br>
>> ignite the biomass.<br>
>> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple <br>
>> > setup:<br>
>> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the<br>
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
>> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff<br>
>> could be taken out below.<br>
>> > Seems simple...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > best regards<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Rolf<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
>> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Hello all.<br>
>> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Best Regards<br>
>> >> Dimitris<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 08:26:06 +0530<br>
From: <a href="mailto:shivanand@infiniteenergyindia.com">shivanand@infiniteenergyindia.com</a><br>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
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Hi Dimitris,<br>
<br>
Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only<br>
pure steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.<br>
<br>
Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the<br>
molar% of H2O in the exhaust.<br>
<br>
This is typically around 55 Deg C.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
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Shivanand<br>
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On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:<br>
> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
> thank you for your replies,<br>
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from<br>
> physics point of view...<br>
> Anybody?<br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Dimitris<br>
><br>
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>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>><br>
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>> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust<br>
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>> Hello all.<br>
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>><br>
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>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20160321215908.f42e41dc1849bfeb92b91d8c@gmx.de">20160321215908.f42e41dc1849bfeb92b91d8c@gmx.de</a>><br>
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>> Hallo Dimitris,<br>
>><br>
>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but<br>
>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry<br>
>> wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize<br>
>> or even ignite the biomass.<br>
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple<br>
>> setup:<br>
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the<br>
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff<br>
>> could be taken out below.<br>
>> Seems simple...<br>
>><br>
>> best regards<br>
>><br>
>> Rolf<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hello all.<br>
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best Regards<br>
>>> Dimitris<br>
>><br>
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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:33:53 -0700<br>
From: "Mark Elliott Ludlow" <<a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a>><br>
To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"<br>
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...however, it's temperature quickly falls! Automotive exhaust systems rust <br>
away primarily because of condensation of moisture in the exhaust stream.<br>
<br>
Others have pointed-out that condensation is a very effective way to <br>
transfer thermal energy, which drives moisture from the interior of fuel <br>
particles. This is phenomenon is effectively used in very many counter-flow <br>
drying apparati.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:56 PM<br>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <br>
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2<br>
<br>
Hi Dimitris,<br>
<br>
Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only pure <br>
steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.<br>
<br>
Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the <br>
molar% of H2O in the exhaust.<br>
<br>
This is typically around 55 Deg C.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Shivanand<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:<br>
> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
> thank you for your replies,<br>
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like<br>
> from physics point of view...<br>
> Anybody?<br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Dimitris<br>
><br>
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>> C.B.)<br>
>> 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (<a href="mailto:linvent@aol.com">linvent@aol.com</a>)<br>
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>><br>
>> Hello all.<br>
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards<br>
>> Dimitris<br>
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>> Hallo Dimitris,<br>
>><br>
>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust,<br>
>> but the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used<br>
>> to dry wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to<br>
>> pyrolize or even ignite the biomass.<br>
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple<br>
>> setup:<br>
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the<br>
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff<br>
>> could be taken out below.<br>
>> Seems simple...<br>
>><br>
>> best regards<br>
>><br>
>> Rolf<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hello all.<br>
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best Regards<br>
>>> Dimitris<br>
>><br>
><br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 07:52:05 -0700<br>
From: "Tom Miles" <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a>>, "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and<br>
gasification'" <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
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Both direct and indirect methods are used. Sometimes heat from the engine <br>
exhaust is transferred to drying air, or directly to the fuel, using a heat <br>
exchanger. The temperature of the moisture laden exhaust exiting from the <br>
dried material must be above the dew point of the gas. By the time you <br>
dilute the engine exhaust to a temperature suitable for drying the fuel <br>
without cooking it - usually 50C-120C/120F-250 F - the dew point is pretty <br>
low so you need to dry in a thin layer, like on a belt, or blow the gas <br>
through the fuel with enough velocity, and with enough time, to let the <br>
condensation layer work up through the pile of fuel. In a thick bed or bin <br>
the moisture condenses in a layer in the fuel until it gets hot enough to <br>
evaporate.<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:34 PM<br>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <br>
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2<br>
<br>
...however, it's temperature quickly falls! Automotive exhaust systems rust <br>
away primarily because of condensation of moisture in the exhaust stream.<br>
<br>
Others have pointed-out that condensation is a very effective way to <br>
transfer thermal energy, which drives moisture from the interior of fuel <br>
particles. This is phenomenon is effectively used in very many counter-flow <br>
drying apparati.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2<br>
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Hi Dimitris,<br>
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Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only pure <br>
steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.<br>
<br>
Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the <br>
molar% of H2O in the exhaust.<br>
<br>
This is typically around 55 Deg C.<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Shivanand<br>
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On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:<br>
> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo<br>
> thank you for your replies,<br>
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like<br>
> from physics point of view...<br>
> Anybody?<br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Dimitris<br>
><br>
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>> 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals<br>
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>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>><br>
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>> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust<br>
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>> Hello all.<br>
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
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>> Hallo Dimitris,<br>
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>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust,<br>
>> but the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used<br>
>> to dry wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to<br>
>> pyrolize or even ignite the biomass.<br>
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple<br>
>> setup:<br>
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the<br>
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.<br>
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff<br>
>> could be taken out below.<br>
>> Seems simple...<br>
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>> best regards<br>
>><br>
>> Rolf<br>
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>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200<br>
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <<a href="mailto:dimitris@kokaras.gr">dimitris@kokaras.gr</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hello all.<br>
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven<br>
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?<br>
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is<br>
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.<br>
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or<br>
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best Regards<br>
>>> Dimitris<br>
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