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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>I received in inquiry last week from someone looking for a microgrid scale gasifier to power four homes in a remote off-grid wooded area. What suppliers do we have for that scale? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>We have seen some reliable systems at a larger scale. All Power Labs (http://www.allpowerlabs.com/), Volter (volter.fi), Entrada (</span></a><a href="http://www.entrade.de/"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://www.entrade.de/</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>) and Spanner (</span></span><a href="http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/company/102-spanner-re-2-company"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/company/102-spanner-re-2-company</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>) all seem to be selling refined units at the 20kWe+. Are there others? <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Tom <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pete & Sheri<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 03, 2017 7:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Where is Everyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hello Doug.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Re:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>“</span>It's a mute point drawing the low price of gasoline into our discussions”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A moot point?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I was only responding to your questioning the lack of traffic to this forum, not its mission.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Most people spend their discretionary time doing what seems most important to them, I think. When gasoline is USD$4.00 per gallon, the idea of developing or supporting cheaper alternatives rises higher towards the top of the to-do list.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Oh- maybe you did mean “mute” point. In either case, I won’t bring it up again.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Pete Stanaitis<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-----------------<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Doug<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Where is Everyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Hi Pete,<o:p></o:p></p><p>We are only as professional as our need to breath the same air. Because we all are at different levels of knowledge, none of us can know how to answer, or ask questions, due to the differing perspective of how our interests have "drawn us in". We all share that gasification has such promise for energy applications, so asking questions or providing answers is the reason this list was created.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Yes, there have been other groups form to discuss gasification, There are no short cuts to reliable gasifier performance, but information without scrutiny can only speak for itself. This Forum and it's extensive collection of related information, was the first to recognize the need for such discussions and become available to us all. There never has been any restriction on who participates, and some very good people have shared with us particularly in the earlier years.<o:p></o:p></p><p>It's a mute point drawing the low price of gasoline into our discussions relating to an alternative for fossil fuels! It's not about the price, but availability which can change over night, and for me, that means being able to be self supporting in time of need. NZ has had a reported 32,000 quakes this last year, plus major storms that destroyed electrical distribution facilities. Are any of us really prepared for the inconvenience when, not if, it comes? <o:p></o:p></p><p>Doug Williams.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 03/01/17 12:21, Pete & Sheri wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hello Doug.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I view this list to be for the professional for the most part, so I hesitate to join in unless I have a question that I can clearly describe.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>But I think at least part of the reason for the lack of traffic is that there are now several other websites that cater to hobbyist and advanced tinkerer wood-to-electricity crowd:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Yahoo woodgas group,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Yahoo charcoal gasifier group</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Wayne Keith’s driveonwood.com website</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-allpowerlabs.com</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And I am sure there are many others.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>In addition (although I have been flamed for even mentioning it), gasoline for USD$2.00 per gallon does take the edge off for many people. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Pete Stanaitis</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>----------------</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>