<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>Tom <font size="2">Miles,<br>
You might want to paint somewhat a more complete picture, the "successful" units may need to be fed less than 10% moisture wood, less than 3% fines, which is a rarefied wood source indeed. Most are also reliant on "filters" that have to be shut down and replaced periodically and a host of other aspects that reduce the potential in the market. <br>
A 20 kw unit by US Standards, is good for one house. <br>
If those who wonder what has gone on with the gasification list, perhaps because of the lack of innovation to reduce the narrowness of the feedstock, notably this list is primarily focused on downdraft systems, there are approaches that expand the application base and increase market necessary to prevent saturation at a low level. <br>
Energy prices or availability has repeatedly cycled gasification applications up and down, from coal fired "town gas" units replaced with natural gas, to WW II fossil fuel shortages. However, there are applications not subject to this cyclic effect. <br>
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From: Tom Miles <tmiles@trmiles.com><br>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I received in inquiry last week from someone looking for a microgrid scale gasifier to power four homes in a remote off-grid wooded area. What suppliers do we have for that scale? </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">We have seen some reliable systems at a larger scale. All Power Labs (</span></a><a href="http://www.allpowerlabs.com/)," target="_blank">http://www.allpowerlabs.com/),</a> Volter (volter.fi), Entrada (<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.entrade.de/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></span></a><a href="http://www.entrade.de/" target="_blank">http://www.entrade.de/</a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">) and Spanner (</span></span><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/company/102-spanner-re-2-company"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></span></a><a href="http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/company/102-spanner-re-2-company" target="_blank">http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/company/102-spanner-re-2-company</a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">) all seem to be selling refined units at the 20kWe+. Are there others? </span></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pete & Sheri<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 03, 2017 7:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hello Doug.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">“</span>It's a mute point drawing the low price of gasoline into our discussions”</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">A moot point?</div>
<div class="MsoNormal">I was only responding to your questioning the lack of traffic to this forum, not its mission.</div>
<div class="MsoNormal">Most people spend their discretionary time doing what seems most important to them, I think. When gasoline is USD$4.00 per gallon, the idea of developing or supporting cheaper alternatives rises higher towards the top of the to-do list.</div>
<div class="MsoNormal">Oh- maybe you did mean “mute” point. In either case, I won’t bring it up again.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:33 AM<br>
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<div>Hi Pete,</div>
<div>We are only as professional as our need to breath the same air. Because we all are at different levels of knowledge, none of us can know how to answer, or ask questions, due to the differing perspective of how our interests have "drawn us in". We all share that gasification has such promise for energy applications, so asking questions or providing answers is the reason this list was created.</div>
<div>Yes, there have been other groups form to discuss gasification, There are no short cuts to reliable gasifier performance, but information without scrutiny can only speak for itself. This Forum and it's extensive collection of related information, was the first to recognize the need for such discussions and become available to us all. There never has been any restriction on who participates, and some very good people have shared with us particularly in the earlier years.</div>
<div>It's a mute point drawing the low price of gasoline into our discussions relating to an alternative for fossil fuels! It's not about the price, but availability which can change over night, and for me, that means being able to be self supporting in time of need. NZ has had a reported 32,000 quakes this last year, plus major storms that destroyed electrical distribution facilities. Are any of us really prepared for the inconvenience when, not if, it comes? </div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">On 03/01/17 12:21, Pete & Sheri wrote:</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hello Doug.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I view this list to be for the professional for the most part, so I hesitate to join in unless I have a question that I can clearly describe.</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But I think at least part of the reason for the lack of traffic is that there are now several other websites that cater to hobbyist and advanced tinkerer wood-to-electricity crowd:</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-Yahoo woodgas group,</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-Yahoo charcoal gasifier group</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-Wayne Keith’s driveonwood.com website</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-allpowerlabs.com</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And I am sure there are many others.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In addition (although I have been flamed for even mentioning it), gasoline for USD$2.00 per gallon does take the edge off for many people. </span></div>
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