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Tom M. and Tom T., and all,<br>
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What arer the sizes (kWe) (or some other measurement??) of these
units? Big difference if discussing 5 kWe or 25 or 100 or larger.
My interest is in sizes under 25 kWe.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/18/2017 11:16 AM, l wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="black" size="2">It
s<font size="2">eems that these systems are all the same and
have very limited input range, complex control systems, no
produced water removal and treatment system where water vapor
eats the engine parts from formation of organic and other
acids and lowers volumetric efficiency from dilution of the
produced gas. There are significant improvements that go
beyond these options and allow for much longer life of the
engine, highe r output per unit, less drying required and not
necessary for pelleting. </font><br>
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<div class="aolmail_moz-cite-prefix">Nicolo,<br>
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please stop sending me emails to other people.<br>
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On 18/04/2017 5:04 PM, Nicolò Cerni wrote:<br>
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<div class="aolmail_gmail_default"
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4 manufacturers offer certified syngas with low tars
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only very few can process anything else other than
strictly selected wood chips</div>
<div class="aolmail_gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">here
is one we are proud to represent</div>
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package units you refer to as Spanner had a GM 5,7
motor for years that required</div>
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replacement after 3/4 years, now they use a new USA
Made CHP engine called Origin </div>
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a labelled OEM Product we cannot trace.</div>
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<div class="aolmail_gmail_default"
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organic biomass gasifier AHT can process different
wood waste types and organic matters</div>
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as chicken manure</div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">At a
wood energy conference in Alaska
last week it occurred to me that
the number of small scale
“industrial” gasifiers is growing.
They are now available worldwide
and there are many reports of good
customer service. Gasifiers that
were only available in Europe are
now being installed in North
America. </div>
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chip and pellet gasifiers in the
40-125 kWe range are now running
7000 hours or more. </div>
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suppliers: </div>
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– 600 units</div>
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units all have tight fuel
requirements: pellets (Burkhardt)
or dry (13-15% MC), and properly
sized fuel for reliable operation.
Some suppliers offer sizing and
drying equipment. </div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">They
are all expensive so they require
applications where there is high
value for the heat and the power.</div>
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