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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kamaleshdoshi6@gmail.com
href="mailto:kamaleshdoshi6@gmail.com">Kamalesh Doshi</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 24, 2017 3:20 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Gasification] Analysis of Gravitation
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<DIV>Harrie Knoef,</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Thanks for the information.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Yes, I am working with California University Merced campus. We are
planning to collect samples and send it to Lab having GC for analysis of
gravimetric tars.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Do you have suggestions/guidance on sample collection protocols and
procedures?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Regards,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Kamalesh</SPAN></DIV>
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methodology (l)<BR> 3. Re: SPAM: Re: Naphthalene Condensate
Photos, GAST<BR> methodology (Tom
Miles)<BR> 4. Analysis of Gravitation Tars (Kamalesh
Doshi)<BR> 5. Re: SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial Gasifiers
(Bj?rn Kuntze)<BR> 6. Re: Analysis of Gravitation Tars (Harrie
Knoef)<BR> 7. Re: SPAM: Re: Naphthalene Condensate Photos,
GAST<BR> methodology (l)<BR> 8. Re:
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Naphthalene Condensate Photos, GAST<BR>
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1<BR>Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 21:48:24 -0500<BR>From: Paul Anderson <<A
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target=_blank>psanders@ilstu.edu</A>><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyli<WBR>sts.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial Gasifiers<BR>Message-ID:
<<A href="mailto:0ed65e5a-4b28-ebc3-a4c9-39e89a3bcfee@ilstu.edu"
target=_blank>0ed65e5a-4b28-ebc3-a4c9-39e89<WBR>a3bcfee@ilstu.edu</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<BR><BR>Nicolo,<BR><BR>What is the
price for the 11 and 20 kwe units? Asking
for<BR>information. I am not a likely
purchaser.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof.
Paul S. Anderson, PhD<BR>Email: <A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target=_blank>psanders@ilstu.edu</A><BR>Skype:
paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<BR>Website: <A
href="http://www.drtlud.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.drtlud.com</A><BR><BR>On 4/22/2017 5:18 PM, Cerni
wrote:<BR>> Bjorn,<BR>><BR>> that is them exactly, and of all twin
fired I have seen they are by<BR>> far the best<BR>> looking back 120
years history of the famous HKD Humboldt Kloeckner<BR>> Deutz German
gasogen Patent. The same array and system has been<BR>> renewed and
improved 7 times by dr ing J K Ferges, the core technology<BR>> was
validated by DU PONT way back in time thru a thorough examination.<BR>> we
have access to those data....<BR>><BR>> best regards<BR>> Nico
Cerni<BR>><BR>> Inviato da iPad,<BR>> Nicolo Cerni<BR>>
mobiloffice<BR>> 0039 340.830.67.97 pls sms me or skype
nico_cerni<BR>><BR>> Il giorno 19/apr/2017, alle ore 13:28, Bj?rn
Kuntze<BR>> <<A href="mailto:kuntze@mastergas.de"
target=_blank>kuntze@mastergas.de</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kuntze@mastergas.de"
target=_blank>kuntze@mastergas.de</A>>> ha scritto:<BR>><BR>>>
Nico,<BR>>><BR>>> I wonder whether you mentioned A.H.T. Pyrogas
GmbH by the link that<BR>>> you posted ?<A
href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A> <<A href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de"
rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A>>??<BR>>><BR>>>
Very well-known in Germany through lots of projects since the
later<BR>>> 80ies?<BR>>><BR>>>
Regards<BR>>><BR>>> Bjorn<BR>>><BR>>>
*Von:*Gasification<BR>>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>] *Im
Auftrag<BR>>> von *Nicol? Cerni<BR>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 18.
April 2017 09:05<BR>>> *An:* Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A><BR>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bio<WBR>energylists.org</A>>><BR>>>
*Betreff:* Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial
Gasifiers<BR>>><BR>>> you are welcome Tom,<BR>>><BR>>>
only 4 manufacturers offer certified syngas with low tars ( < than
4<BR>>> mgr/nM3 )<BR>>><BR>>> and only very few can process
anything else other than strictly<BR>>> selected wood
chips<BR>>><BR>>> here is one we are proud to
represent<BR>>><BR>>> <A href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de"
rel=noreferrer target=_blank>www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A> <<A
href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A>><BR>>><BR>>> The
package units you refer to as Spanner had a GM 5,7 motor for<BR>>> years
that required<BR>>><BR>>> complete replacement after 3/4
years, now they use a new USA Made<BR>>> CHP engine called
Origin<BR>>><BR>>> probably a labelled OEM Product we cannot
trace.<BR>>><BR>>> our organic biomass gasifier AHT can process
different wood waste<BR>>> types and organic
matters<BR>>><BR>>> such as chicken manure<BR>>><BR>>>
regards<BR>>><BR>>> NC<BR>>><BR>>> <<A
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
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Mail priva di virus. <A href="http://www.avast.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.avast.com</A><BR>>> <<A
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2017-04-18 0:26 GMT+02:00 Tom Miles <<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A><BR>>> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>>>:<BR>>><BR>>>
Thanks, Nicolo. It?s good to know about
you.<BR>>><BR>>> I didn?t know there were
that many manufacturers in
Europe.<BR>>><BR>>>
Tom<BR>>><BR>>>
*From:*Gasification<BR>>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@<WBR>lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@<WBR>lists.bioenergylists.org</A>>]
*On<BR>>> Behalf Of *Nicol?
Cerni<BR>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 3:08
PM<BR>>> *To:* Discussion of biomass pyrolysis
and gasification<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergy<WBR>lists.org</A><BR>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bi<WBR>oenergylists.org</A>>><BR>>>
*Subject:* SPAM: Re: [Gasification] Small Scale Industrial
Gasifiers<BR>>><BR>>>
Hello<BR>>><BR>>> please see our
versions<BR>>><BR>>> at <A
href="http://www.altair-pyro.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.altair-pyro.com</A> <<A href="http://www.altair-pyro.com"
rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.altair-pyro.com</A>><BR>>><BR>>>
new addresses here below<BR>>><BR>>> we
are shipping to you our sales
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to local markets Levelized costs of
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to 4.600 Euros x 1 Kwe installed Cogen set<BR>>>
power<BR>>><BR>>> we know all of the
gasifiers you mentioned ( Volter is a
Spanner<BR>>> user
)<BR>>><BR>>> we have another 12
manufacturers in Europe<BR>>><BR>>>
regards<BR>>><BR>>>
NC<BR>>><BR>>> <<A
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Mail priva di virus. <A href="http://www.avast.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.avast.com</A><BR>>> <<A
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2017-04-17 23:31 GMT+02:00 Tom Miles <<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A><BR>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>>>:<BR>>><BR>>>
At a wood energy conference in Alaska last week it
occurred<BR>>> to me
that the number of small scale ?industrial?
gasifiers<BR>>> is
growing. They are now available worldwide and there
are<BR>>> many reports
of good customer service. Gasifiers that
were<BR>>> only
available in Europe are now being installed in
North<BR>>>
America.<BR>>><BR>>>
Wood chip and pellet gasifiers in the 40-125 kWe range
are<BR>>> now running
7000 hours or
more.<BR>>><BR>>>
Some
suppliers:<BR>>><BR>>>
Spanner <<A href="http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/</A>> ? 600
units<BR>>><BR>>>
Volter <<A href="http://volter.fi/" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://volter.fi/</A>> ? 100
units<BR>>><BR>>>
Holzenergie <<A href="http://www.holzenergie-wegscheid.de/?lang=EN"
rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.holzenergie-wegsch<WBR>eid.de/?lang=EN</A>>
?<BR>>> 60
units<BR>>><BR>>>
Burkhardt<BR>>> <<A
href="http://burkhardt-energy.com/hp604/Wood-Gasifier-V-3-90.htm"
rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://burkhardt-energy.com/<WBR>hp604/Wood-Gasifier-V-3-90.htm</A><WBR>><BR>>>
? 100+ (wood
pellets)<BR>>><BR>>>
These units all have tight fuel requirements:
pellets<BR>>>
(Burkhardt) or dry (13-15% MC), and properly sized fuel
for<BR>>> reliable
operation. Some suppliers offer sizing and
drying<BR>>>
equipment.<BR>>><BR>>>
They are all expensive so they require applications
where<BR>>> there is
high value for the heat and the
power.<BR>>><BR>>>
What has been the owner-operator experience of running
these<BR>>>
systems?<BR>>><BR>>>
Tom<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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2<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 00:51:56 -0400<BR>From: l <<A
href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target=_blank>linvent@aol.com</A>><BR>To: <A
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target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyli<WBR>sts.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Gasification] Naphthalene Condensate Photos,
GAST<BR> methodology<BR>Message-ID:
<<A href="mailto:15b9926ea93-7e4e-358d1@webprd-a10.mail.aol.com"
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>One of the major reasons Caterpillar won't
get heavily involved in producer gas engines is the naphthalene issue. One
group that had an operating power plant for a municipality would operate their
engines for a few hundred hours and the valves would begin knocking and the
V-12 engine would have to have a valve job. ir<BR> It is
fairly easy to fix if one knows the properties of the gas. We do it as a
matter of course as it doesn't make any sense to offer a system that has to
have the engine rebuilt periodically. One engine manufacturer will not
guarantee their engine unless it meets their strict
standards.<BR> As to the GAST report, I read some of it and
some of the procedures can easily be improved such as measuring the air inlet
flow using a typical mass:flow meter out of a car that is extremely accurate
and can provide continuous monitoring. In the program we use for our systems,
it automatically calculates the inlet air flow rate and with settable or
automatic monitoring inputs such as temp, humidity, can provide continuous and
accumulated air mass input.<BR> There are also methods of
measuring gas composition, to much better detail than is now being used. Fixed
gases such as the usual by either GC or specific gas analyzers do not show the
condensable gases such as ethanol, methanol, acetone, acetic acid, napthalene
of course, and other compounds that may affect engine operation for the better
or worse. The same system could be used for engine exhaust measuring of say
formaldehyde, carcinogens, and everything except PAH and
particulate.<BR> None of the gasifiers monitored are as
efficient as we would like to see in our designs. High carbon yield in the
char/ash residue is an admission of the inefficiencies
present.<BR><BR> As another note, virtually all
emission testing is flawed because if the inlet air has a few ppm of NOx or
CO, the output is going to be biased upward this amount and none of the EPA
testing protocols take ambient air quality into
account.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Leland T. "Tom"
Taylor<BR>Thermogenics Inc.<BR>+001-505-463-8422<BR><A
href="http://www.thermogenicx.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.thermogenicx.com</A><BR>Skype:
ltt.invent<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Doug
<<A href="mailto:doug.williams.nz@gmail.com"
target=_blank>doug.williams.nz@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: 'Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification' <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Sent: Sat,
Apr 22, 2017 5:39 pm<BR>Subject: [Gasification] Naphthalene Condensate
Photos<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Naphthalene in Producer Gas<BR><BR>Hi Gasification
Colleagues,<BR>Reading through the Italian Paper on gasifier monitoring in
South Tyrol, the reference to Naphthalene caught my eye, because as a light
pyrolysis oil, after dry filtration and condensation, I have only seen this in
gas in the Northern hemisphere. Looking like yellow oil floating on aqueous
condensate, exposed to air when tipped onto a concrete surface, it just
completely vaporizes leaving only a carbon trace of stain. It makes a good
mess inside pipes and diaphragm regulators and if being combusted in a flare
or oxidation chamber, will add to the emissions from the stack. The bottom
line is that we don't want this in our producer gas for either engine or
combustion applications, but once condensed, it's very hard to clean out of
the gas.<BR>My questions to any one who might have some similar experience, is
why Naphthalene may not show up in small gasifiers under say 100m3/hr, yet
becomes a issue as the gas output increases from a larger system. I have
observed this formation in N.Ireland and California and definitely related to
just higher output. Could it be related to the amount or volume of the
unstable pyrolysis gas in the fuel hopper? Can this create a chemistry that
can survive an incandescent char bed, but reform as Naphthalene in the gas
reduction phase?<BR>I can assure you that it isn't about tar or bad design, as
our bed analysis and pressure drop continuous monitoring has not shown
bridging or channeling to be the culprit. Black tars are never present, nor is
CH4 as Methane (<2%), so bed temperatures are not an issue, nor
moisture content of the fuels (wood chips or blocks). Char under the grate is
dry and clean, as is the <10 micron dust from the cyclones.<BR>The photos
show two samples from a larger system, one a first stage cooling containing
ash and carbon with a purple colour from the ash. The second bag from the
cooling condenser is yellow from the Naphthalene which did increase with more
gas output . The square container is completely clear and comes from the
Fluidyne Pacific Class gasifier (90m3/hr) and it has always made clear
condensate in both hemispheres except when incorrectly fueled. It has not been
possible to test larger gasifiers of our own design here in New Zealand, hence
the questions.<BR>Any discussion would be appreciated.<BR>Doug
Williams,<BR>Fluidyne.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>______________________________<WBR>_________________<BR>Gasification
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3<BR>Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 22:01:42 -0700<BR>From: Tom Miles <<A
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target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>><BR>To: Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification<BR>
<<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Naphthalene Condensate
Photos,<BR> GAST
methodology<BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:BD5E7BC0-63B7-464F-885B-82877CCBE75D@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>BD5E7BC0-63B7-464F-885B-82877<WBR>CCBE75D@trmiles.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Can you show us some data?<BR><BR>T R
Miles Technical Consultants Inc.<BR><A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A><BR>Sent from mobile.<BR><BR>> On Apr
22, 2017, at 9:51 PM, l <<A href="mailto:linvent@aol.com"
target=_blank>linvent@aol.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> One of the major
reasons Caterpillar won't get heavily involved in producer gas engines is the
naphthalene issue. One group that had an operating power plant for a
municipality would operate their engines for a few hundred hours and the
valves would begin knocking and the V-12 engine would have to have a valve
job. ir<BR>> It is fairly easy to fix if one knows
the properties of the gas. We do it as a matter of course as it doesn't make
any sense to offer a system that has to have the engine rebuilt periodically.
One engine manufacturer will not guarantee their engine unless it meets their
strict standards.<BR>> As to the GAST report, I
read some of it and some of the procedures can easily be improved such as
measuring the air inlet flow using a typical mass:flow meter out of a car that
is extremely accurate and can provide continuous monitoring. In the program we
use for our systems, it automatically calculates the inlet air flow rate and
with settable or automatic monitoring inputs such as temp, humidity, can
provide continuous and accumulated air mass
input.<BR>> There are also methods of measuring gas
composition, to much better detail than is now being used. Fixed gases such as
the usual by either GC or specific gas analyzers do not show the condensable
gases such as ethanol, methanol, acetone, acetic acid, napthalene of course,
and other compounds that may affect engine operation for the better or worse.
The same system could be used for engine exhaust measuring of say
formaldehyde, carcinogens, and everything except PAH and
particulate.<BR>> None of the gasifiers monitored
are as efficient as we would like to see in our designs. High carbon yield in
the char/ash residue is an admission of the inefficiencies
present.<BR>> As another note, virtually all
emission testing is flawed because if the inlet air has a few ppm of NOx or
CO, the output is going to be biased upward this amount and none of the EPA
testing protocols take ambient air quality into account.<BR>><BR>>
Sincerely,<BR>> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor<BR>> Thermogenics Inc.<BR>>
+001-505-463-8422<BR>> <A href="http://www.thermogenicx.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.thermogenicx.com</A><BR>> Skype:
ltt.invent<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
Doug <<A href="mailto:doug.williams.nz@gmail.com"
target=_blank>doug.williams.nz@gmail.com</A>><BR>> To: 'Discussion of
biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>> Sent:
Sat, Apr 22, 2017 5:39 pm<BR>> Subject: [Gasification] Naphthalene
Condensate Photos<BR>><BR>><BR>> Naphthalene in Producer
Gas<BR>><BR>> Hi Gasification Colleagues,<BR>> Reading through the
Italian Paper on gasifier monitoring in South Tyrol, the reference to
Naphthalene caught my eye, because as a light pyrolysis oil, after dry
filtration and condensation, I have only seen this in gas in the Northern
hemisphere. Looking like yellow oil floating on aqueous condensate,
exposed to air when tipped onto a concrete surface, it just completely
vaporizes leaving only a carbon trace of stain. It makes a good mess inside
pipes and diaphragm regulators and if being combusted in a flare or oxidation
chamber, will add to the emissions from the stack. The bottom line is that we
don't want this in our producer gas for either engine or combustion
applications, but once condensed, it's very hard to clean out of the
gas.<BR>> My questions to any one who might have some similar experience,
is why Naphthalene may not show up in small gasifiers under say 100m3/hr, yet
becomes a issue as the gas output increases from a larger system. I have
observed this formation in N.Ireland and California and definitely related to
just higher output. Could it be related to the amount or volume of the
unstable pyrolysis gas in the fuel hopper? Can this create a chemistry that
can survive an incandescent char bed, but reform as Naphthalene in the gas
reduction phase?<BR>> I can assure you that it isn't about tar or bad
design, as our bed analysis and pressure drop continuous monitoring has not
shown bridging or channeling to be the culprit. Black tars are never present,
nor is CH4 as Methane (<2%), so bed temperatures are not an issue,
nor moisture content of the fuels (wood chips or blocks). Char under the grate
is dry and clean, as is the <10 micron dust from the cyclones.<BR>> The
photos show two samples from a larger system, one a first stage cooling
containing ash and carbon with a purple colour from the ash. The second bag
from the cooling condenser is yellow from the Naphthalene which did increase
with more gas output . The square container is completely clear and comes from
the Fluidyne Pacific Class gasifier (90m3/hr) and it has always made
clear condensate in both hemispheres except when incorrectly fueled. It has
not been possible to test larger gasifiers of our own design here in New
Zealand, hence the questions.<BR>> Any discussion would be
appreciated.<BR>> Doug Williams,<BR>>
Fluidyne.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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4<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:34:35 +0530<BR>From: Kamalesh Doshi <<A
href="mailto:kamaleshdoshi6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kamaleshdoshi6@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: <A
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[Gasification] Analysis of Gravitation
Tars<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A
href="mailto:CAORJYxpdmGsLgPMdtN4k5pkJzJcvSx3nFoq9AfUasBYn982B1w@mail.gmail.com"
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Dear All,<BR><BR>I am looking for guidance
on set-up and test protocols and procedures for<BR>measurement of
gravitational tars for a 1 MW demonstration project using<BR>woodchips.. Is
reliable "online" measurement of tars available?<BR><BR>Any guidance is highly
appreciated!<BR><BR>Kamalesh Doshi<BR>-------------- next part
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5<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 15:03:39 +0200<BR>From: Bj?rn Kuntze <<A
href="mailto:kuntze@mastergas.de"
target=_blank>kuntze@mastergas.de</A>><BR>To: "'Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification'"<BR>
<<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial Gasifiers<BR>Message-ID:
<016101d2bc32$080de240$1829a6c<WBR>0$@<A href="http://mastergas.de"
rel=noreferrer target=_blank>mastergas.de</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<BR><BR>Dear
Nico,<BR><BR>it is very good to hear that there is a considerable number of
successful AHT installations in operation.<BR>Nico, could you please provide
some basic information about these projects like:<BR>- location,<BR>- year of
commissioning,<BR>- capacity,<BR>- engine operation or just thermal
application<BR>- fuel<BR><BR>That would be really nice.<BR><BR><BR>Mit
freundlichen Gr??en / with best regards<BR>Bj?rn Kuntze<BR><BR><BR>MasterGas
UG (haftungsbeschr?nkt)<BR>Bloherfelder Anger 7<BR>26129
Oldenburg<BR>Germany<BR><BR>Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bj?rn Kuntze<BR><BR>Mobil:
+49 (0) 177 345 1557<BR>Email: <A
href="mailto:kuntze@mastergas.de"
target=_blank>kuntze@mastergas.de</A><BR>Web: <A
href="http://www.mastergas.de" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.mastergas.de</A><BR><BR>Handelsregister: HRB 211272 ?
Amtsgericht Oldenburg<BR>USt-ID-Nr:
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target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>] Im
Auftrag von Cerni<BR>Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. April 2017 00:15<BR>An: <A
href="mailto:jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk"
target=_blank>jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk</A>; Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Betreff:
Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial Gasifiers<BR><BR>good
evening Readers<BR><BR>this msg is for Bjoern, AHT has one unique selling
proposition a very accurately and efficiently designed double countercurrent
oxidation , they have 12 successfully installed units with very high
efficiencies and uptime over 8100 hours,. low ash at around 1,25%,
they are undergoing reengineering and will expand rapidly very soon....<BR>I
ll be please to send to you budgetray offer if you need them AHT can
process many organic matters besides wood. We are currently gasifying coal and
chicken litter manure on karge scale.<BR>regards<BR><BR>N Cerni<BR>AES NRG LTD
Dublin<BR>AHT agents<BR><BR><BR>Inviato da iPad,<BR>Nicolo
Cerni<BR>mobiloffice<BR>0039 340.830.67.97 pls sms me or skype
nico_cerni<BR><BR>> Il giorno 22/apr/2017, alle ore 11:44, Jess Christman
<<A href="mailto:jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk"
target=_blank>jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk</A>> ha scritto:<BR>><BR>>
HI Tom,<BR>><BR>> Any thoughts on the All Power Labs
PP20?<BR>><BR>> Yours,<BR>><BR>> Jess<BR>><BR>><BR>>>
On Wed, April 19, 2017 10:04 pm, Tom Miles wrote:<BR>>> Thanks
Bjorn.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Tom<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> From:
Gasification<BR>>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>]<BR>>>
On Behalf Of Bj?rn Kuntze<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 1:35
PM<BR>>> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification'<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial<BR>>>
Gasifiers<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Tom,<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I know AHT
installations since 1997, when I worked on such a project<BR>>>
personally.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Regarding the
performance of their systems, I recommend to contact<BR>>> AHT
personally. I am not sure whether they provide reference lists<BR>>> for
interested parties.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Best
regards<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Bjorn<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Von:
Gasification<BR>>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>]<BR>>>
Im Auftrag von Tom Miles<BR>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. April 2017
18:25<BR>>> An: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification'<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A><BR>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bio<WBR>energylists.org</A>>
><BR>>> Betreff: Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale
Industrial<BR>>>
Gasifiers<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> AHT was
one of the early gasifiers to recognize, or remember, the<BR>>>
importance of the geometry of the fuel. Does anyone know about the<BR>>>
long term performance of the AHT gasifiers? Years? Hours per year?<BR>>>
Mean-time between failure (MTBF)?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Tom<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> From:
Gasification<BR>>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>]<BR>>>
On Behalf Of Bj?rn Kuntze<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 4:29
AM<BR>>> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification'<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A><BR>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bio<WBR>energylists.org</A>>
><BR>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale
Industrial<BR>>>
Gasifiers<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Nico,<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I wonder
whether you mentioned A.H.T. Pyrogas GmbH by the link that<BR>>> you
posted ? <<A href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A>> <A
href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A>??<BR>>><BR>>> Very
well-known in Germany through lots of projects since the later<BR>>>
80ies?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Regards<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Bjorn<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Von:
Gasification<BR>>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>]<BR>>>
Im Auftrag von Nicol? Cerni<BR>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. April 2017
09:05<BR>>> An: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A><BR>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bio<WBR>energylists.org</A>>
><BR>>> Betreff: Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale
Industrial<BR>>>
Gasifiers<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> you are
welcome Tom,<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> only 4
manufacturers offer certified syngas with low tars ( < than 4<BR>>>
mgr/nM3 )<BR>>><BR>>> and only very few can process anything else
other than strictly<BR>>> selected wood chips<BR>>><BR>>>
here is one we are proud to
represent<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <A
href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A> <<A href="http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de"
rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de</A>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
The package units you refer to as Spanner had a GM 5,7 motor for<BR>>>
years that required<BR>>><BR>>> complete replacement after
3/4 years, now they use a new USA Made<BR>>> CHP engine called
Origin<BR>>><BR>>> probably a labelled OEM Product we cannot
trace.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> our organic biomass
gasifier AHT can process different wood waste<BR>>> types and organic
matters<BR>>><BR>>> such as chicken
manure<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
regards<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
NC<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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2017-04-18 0:26 GMT+02:00 Tom Miles <<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A><BR>>> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>>
>:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Thanks, Nicolo. It?s good to know
about you.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I
didn?t know there were that many manufacturers in
Europe.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Tom<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> From:
Gasification<BR>>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>>>
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target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>> ] On
Behalf Of<BR>>> Nicol? Cerni<BR>>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017
3:08 PM<BR>>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
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><BR>>> Subject: SPAM: Re: [Gasification] Small Scale Industrial
Gasifiers<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Hello<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> please see
our versions<BR>>><BR>>> at <A href="http://www.altair-pyro.com"
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href="http://www.altair-pyro.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.altair-pyro.com</A>><BR>>><BR>>> new
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from 3.200 to 4.600 Euros x 1 Kwe installed Cogen set<BR>>>
power<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> we know all of the
gasifiers you mentioned ( Volter is a Spanner user<BR>>>
)<BR>>><BR>>> we have another 12 manufacturers in
Europe<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
regards<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
NC<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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2017-04-17 23:31 GMT+02:00 Tom Miles <<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A><BR>>> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>>
>:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> At a wood energy conference in
Alaska last week it occurred to me<BR>>> that the number of small scale
?industrial? gasifiers is growing.<BR>>> They are now available
worldwide and there are many reports of good customer service.<BR>>>
Gasifiers that were only available in Europe are now being
installed<BR>>> in North
America.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Wood chip
and pellet gasifiers in the 40-125 kWe range are now<BR>>>
running<BR>>> 7000 hours or
more.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Some
suppliers:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Spanner <<A
href="http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/</A>><WBR> ? 600
units<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Volter <<A
href="http://volter.fi/" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://volter.fi/</A>> ? 100
units<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Holzenergie <<A
href="http://www.holzenergie-wegscheid.de/?lang=EN" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.holzenergie-wegsch<WBR>eid.de/?lang=EN</A>>
? 60<BR>>> units<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Burkhardt<BR>>> <<A
href="http://burkhardt-energy.com/hp604/Wood-Gasifier-V-3-90.htm"
rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://burkhardt-energy.com/h<WBR>p604/Wood-Gasifier-V-3-90.htm</A>><WBR>
?<BR>>> 100+ (wood
pellets)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> These
units all have tight fuel requirements: pellets (Burkhardt) or<BR>>> dry
(13-15% MC), and properly sized fuel for reliable operation. Some<BR>>>
suppliers offer sizing and drying
equipment.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> They are all
expensive so they require applications where there is<BR>>> high value
for the heat and the power.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
What has been the owner-operator experience of running these
systems?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Tom<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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6<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 15:15:04 +0200<BR>From: "Harrie Knoef" <<A
href="mailto:harrie@knoefconsultancy.com"
target=_blank>harrie@knoefconsultancy.com</A>><BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Gasification] Analysis of Gravitation Tars<BR>Message-ID:
<17954DD998F649EE8677BA0F6D6A5<WBR>8DC@BTGLT002><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Dear all, the picture below shows (very
nice) naphthalene crystals on a condensor.<BR>This condensor was developed in
the 1980 when we developed a worldwide monitoring program for the UNDP/World
Bank.<BR>The report from Andrea is interesting but there are many points to
improve. The four plants monitored are clear but the project missed one very
important gasifier supplier in S-Tirol.<BR>To Kamalesh: there is no online tar
measuring equipment, only off-line (gravimetric or a GC if you have access to
such expensive apparatus)<BR><BR><BR><BR>BR/Harrie Knoef<BR><BR><BR>From:
Kamalesh Doshi<BR>Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 8:04 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyli<WBR>sts.org</A><BR>Subject:
[Gasification] Analysis of Gravitation Tars<BR><BR>Dear All,<BR><BR>I am
looking for guidance on set-up and test protocols and procedures for
measurement of gravitational tars for a 1 MW demonstration project using
woodchips.. Is reliable "online" measurement of tars available?<BR><BR>Any
guidance is highly appreciated!<BR><BR>Kamalesh
Doshi<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<WBR>------------------------------<WBR>--------------------<BR>______________________________<WBR>_________________<BR>Gasification
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7<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:18:45 -0400<BR>From: l <<A
href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target=_blank>linvent@aol.com</A>><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyli<WBR>sts.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Gasification] SPAM: Re: Naphthalene Condensate
Photos,<BR> GAST
methodology<BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:15b9b9bb930-7e4e-3640c@webprd-a10.mail.aol.com"
target=_blank>15b9b9bb930-7e4e-3640c@webprd<WBR>-a10.mail.aol.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Which data? Caterpillar isn't excited about
produced gas operating engines? Not sure how I do
that.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Leland T. "Tom"
Taylor<BR>Thermogenics Inc.<BR>+001-505-463-8422<BR><A
href="http://www.thermogenicx.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.thermogenicx.com</A><BR>Skype:
ltt.invent<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Tom
Miles <<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>><BR>To: Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Sent: Sat,
Apr 22, 2017 11:04 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re:
Naphthalene Condensate Photos, GAST methodology<BR><BR><BR><BR>Can you show us
some data?<BR><BR>T R Miles Technical Consultants Inc.<BR><A
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A><BR>Sent
from mobile.<BR><BR><BR>On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:51 PM, l <<A
href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target=_blank>linvent@aol.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>One of the major reasons Caterpillar won't get heavily
involved in producer gas engines is the naphthalene issue. One group that had
an operating power plant for a municipality would operate their engines for a
few hundred hours and the valves would begin knocking and the V-12 engine
would have to have a valve job. ir<BR> It is fairly easy to
fix if one knows the properties of the gas. We do it as a matter of course as
it doesn't make any sense to offer a system that has to have the engine
rebuilt periodically. One engine manufacturer will not guarantee their engine
unless it meets their strict standards.<BR> As to the GAST
report, I read some of it and some of the procedures can easily be improved
such as measuring the air inlet flow using a typical mass:flow meter out of a
car that is extremely accurate and can provide continuous monitoring. In the
program we use for our systems, it automatically calculates the inlet air flow
rate and with settable or automatic monitoring inputs such as temp, humidity,
can provide continuous and accumulated air mass input.<BR>
There are also methods of measuring gas composition, to much better detail
than is now being used. Fixed gases such as the usual by either GC or specific
gas analyzers do not show the condensable gases such as ethanol, methanol,
acetone, acetic acid, napthalene of course, and other compounds that may
affect engine operation for the better or worse. The same system could be used
for engine exhaust measuring of say formaldehyde, carcinogens, and everything
except PAH and particulate.<BR> None of the gasifiers
monitored are as efficient as we would like to see in our designs. High carbon
yield in the char/ash residue is an admission of the inefficiencies
present.<BR><BR> As another note, virtually all
emission testing is flawed because if the inlet air has a few ppm of NOx or
CO, the output is going to be biased upward this amount and none of the EPA
testing protocols take ambient air quality into
account.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Leland T. "Tom"
Taylor<BR>Thermogenics Inc.<BR>+001-505-463-8422<BR><A
href="http://www.thermogenicx.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.thermogenicx.com</A><BR>Skype:
ltt.invent<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Doug
<<A href="mailto:doug.williams.nz@gmail.com"
target=_blank>doug.williams.nz@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: 'Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification' <<A
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target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Sent: Sat,
Apr 22, 2017 5:39 pm<BR>Subject: [Gasification] Naphthalene Condensate
Photos<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Naphthalene in Producer Gas<BR><BR>Hi Gasification
Colleagues,<BR>Reading through the Italian Paper on gasifier monitoring in
South Tyrol, the reference to Naphthalene caught my eye, because as a light
pyrolysis oil, after dry filtration and condensation, I have only seen this in
gas in the Northern hemisphere. Looking like yellow oil floating on aqueous
condensate, exposed to air when tipped onto a concrete surface, it just
completely vaporizes leaving only a carbon trace of stain. It makes a good
mess inside pipes and diaphragm regulators and if being combusted in a flare
or oxidation chamber, will add to the emissions from the stack. The bottom
line is that we don't want this in our producer gas for either engine or
combustion applications, but once condensed, it's very hard to clean out of
the gas.<BR>My questions to any one who might have some similar experience, is
why Naphthalene may not show up in small gasifiers under say 100m3/hr, yet
becomes a issue as the gas output increases from a larger system. I have
observed this formation in N.Ireland and California and definitely related to
just higher output. Could it be related to the amount or volume of the
unstable pyrolysis gas in the fuel hopper? Can this create a chemistry that
can survive an incandescent char bed, but reform as Naphthalene in the gas
reduction phase?<BR>I can assure you that it isn't about tar or bad design, as
our bed analysis and pressure drop continuous monitoring has not shown
bridging or channeling to be the culprit. Black tars are never present, nor is
CH4 as Methane (<2%), so bed temperatures are not an issue, nor
moisture content of the fuels (wood chips or blocks). Char under the grate is
dry and clean, as is the <10 micron dust from the cyclones.<BR>The photos
show two samples from a larger system, one a first stage cooling containing
ash and carbon with a purple colour from the ash. The second bag from the
cooling condenser is yellow from the Naphthalene which did increase with more
gas output . The square container is completely clear and comes from the
Fluidyne Pacific Class gasifier (90m3/hr) and it has always made clear
condensate in both hemispheres except when incorrectly fueled. It has not been
possible to test larger gasifiers of our own design here in New Zealand, hence
the questions.<BR>Any discussion would be appreciated.<BR>Doug
Williams,<BR>Fluidyne.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>______________________________<WBR>_________________<BR>Gasification
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8<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:26:15 -0400<BR>From: l <<A
href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target=_blank>linvent@aol.com</A>><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyli<WBR>sts.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Gasification] Analysis of Gravitation Tars<BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:15b9ba2955b-7e4e-36441@webprd-a10.mail.aol.com"
target=_blank>15b9ba2955b-7e4e-36441@webprd<WBR>-a10.mail.aol.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>There are ways to measure them. Sandia
National Laboratories developed a particulate/aerosol measuring system that
can do particle size distribution and amount on a continuous basis. How much
money do you have to spend?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Leland T.
"Tom" Taylor<BR>Thermogenics Inc.<BR>+001-505-463-8422<BR><A
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ltt.invent<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Kamalesh
Doshi <<A href="mailto:kamaleshdoshi6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kamaleshdoshi6@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: gasification <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Sent: Sun,
Apr 23, 2017 12:06 am<BR>Subject: [Gasification] Analysis of Gravitation
Tars<BR><BR><BR><BR>Dear All,<BR><BR><BR>I am looking for guidance on set-up
and test protocols and procedures for measurement of gravitational tars for a
1 MW demonstration project using woodchips.. Is reliable "online" measurement
of tars available?<BR><BR><BR>Any guidance is highly
appreciated!<BR><BR><BR>Kamalesh
Doshi<BR><BR>______________________________<WBR>_________________<BR>Gasification
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9<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:50:42 -0700<BR>From: "Tom Miles" <<A
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target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>><BR>To: "'Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification'"<BR>
<<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: Naphthalene
Condensate<BR> Photos, GAST
methodology<BR>Message-ID: <007a01d2bc5a$211098a0$6331c9e<WBR>0$@<A
href="http://trmiles.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>trmiles.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>What are your target gas quality numbers? Can you meet
them?<BR><BR><BR><BR>You likely mean high ash/char yield, rather than high
carbon yield.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Do you have data showing the impact of ambient
NOx or CO on engine missions?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From:
Gasification [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification-bounces@l<WBR>ists.bioenergylists.org</A>] On
Behalf Of l<BR>Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:19 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyli<WBR>sts.org</A><BR>Subject: SPAM:
Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Naphthalene Condensate Photos, GAST
methodology<BR><BR><BR><BR>Which data? Caterpillar isn't excited about
produced gas operating engines? Not sure how I do
that.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Leland T. "Tom"
Taylor<BR><BR>Thermogenics Inc.<BR><BR>+001-505-463-8422<BR><BR><A
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ltt.invent<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Tom
Miles <<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>>
><BR>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bio<WBR>energylists.org</A>> ><BR>Sent:
Sat, Apr 22, 2017 11:04 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re:
Naphthalene Condensate Photos, GAST methodology<BR><BR>Can you show us some
data?<BR><BR>T R Miles Technical Consultants Inc.<BR><BR><A
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
target=_blank>tmiles@trmiles.com</A>><BR><BR>Sent from
mobile.<BR><BR><BR>On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:51 PM, l <<A
href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target=_blank>linvent@aol.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:linvent@aol.com" target=_blank>linvent@aol.com</A>> >
wrote:<BR><BR>One of the major reasons Caterpillar won't get heavily involved
in producer gas engines is the naphthalene issue. One group that had an
operating power plant for a municipality would operate their engines for a few
hundred hours and the valves would begin knocking and the V-12 engine would
have to have a valve job. ir<BR> It is fairly easy to fix if
one knows the properties of the gas. We do it as a matter of course as it
doesn't make any sense to offer a system that has to have the engine rebuilt
periodically. One engine manufacturer will not guarantee their engine unless
it meets their strict standards.<BR> As to the GAST report,
I read some of it and some of the procedures can easily be improved such as
measuring the air inlet flow using a typical mass:flow meter out of a car that
is extremely accurate and can provide continuous monitoring. In the program we
use for our systems, it automatically calculates the inlet air flow rate and
with settable or automatic monitoring inputs such as temp, humidity, can
provide continuous and accumulated air mass input.<BR> There
are also methods of measuring gas composition, to much better detail than is
now being used. Fixed gases such as the usual by either GC or specific gas
analyzers do not show the condensable gases such as ethanol, methanol,
acetone, acetic acid, napthalene of course, and other compounds that may
affect engine operation for the better or worse. The same system could be used
for engine exhaust measuring of say formaldehyde, carcinogens, and everything
except PAH and particulate.<BR> None of the gasifiers
monitored are as efficient as we would like to see in our designs. High carbon
yield in the char/ash residue is an admission of the inefficiencies
present.<BR><BR> As another note, virtually all emission
testing is flawed because if the inlet air has a few ppm of NOx or CO, the
output is going to be biased upward this amount and none of the EPA testing
protocols take ambient air quality into
account.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Leland T. "Tom"
Taylor<BR><BR>Thermogenics Inc.<BR><BR>+001-505-463-8422<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.thermogenicx.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.thermogenicx.com</A> <<A
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ltt.invent<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Doug
<<A href="mailto:doug.williams.nz@gmail.com"
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href="mailto:doug.williams.nz@gmail.com"
target=_blank>doug.williams.nz@gmail<WBR>.com</A>> ><BR>To: 'Discussion
of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>gasification@lists.bioenergyl<WBR>ists.org</A> <mailto:<A
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target=_blank>gasification@lists.bio<WBR>energylists.org</A>> ><BR>Sent:
Sat, Apr 22, 2017 5:39 pm<BR>Subject: [Gasification] Naphthalene Condensate
Photos<BR><BR><BR><BR>Naphthalene in Producer Gas<BR><BR><BR><BR>Hi
Gasification Colleagues,<BR><BR>Reading through the Italian Paper on gasifier
monitoring in South Tyrol, the reference to Naphthalene caught my eye, because
as a light pyrolysis oil, after dry filtration and condensation, I have only
seen this in gas in the Northern hemisphere. Looking like yellow oil floating
on aqueous condensate, exposed to air when tipped onto a concrete
surface, it just completely vaporizes leaving only a carbon trace of stain. It
makes a good mess inside pipes and diaphragm regulators and if being combusted
in a flare or oxidation chamber, will add to the emissions from the stack. The
bottom line is that we don't want this in our producer gas for either engine
or combustion applications, but once condensed, it's very hard to clean out of
the gas.<BR><BR>My questions to any one who might have some similar
experience, is why Naphthalene may not show up in small gasifiers under say
100m3/hr, yet becomes a issue as the gas output increases from a larger
system. I have observed this formation in N.Ireland and California and
definitely related to just higher output. Could it be related to the amount or
volume of the unstable pyrolysis gas in the fuel hopper? Can this create a
chemistry that can survive an incandescent char bed, but reform as Naphthalene
in the gas reduction phase?<BR><BR>I can assure you that it isn't about tar or
bad design, as our bed analysis and pressure drop continuous monitoring has
not shown bridging or channeling to be the culprit. Black tars are never
present, nor is CH4 as Methane (<2%), so bed temperatures are not an
issue, nor moisture content of the fuels (wood chips or blocks). Char under
the grate is dry and clean, as is the <10 micron dust from the
cyclones.<BR><BR>The photos show two samples from a larger system, one a first
stage cooling containing ash and carbon with a purple colour from the ash. The
second bag from the cooling condenser is yellow from the Naphthalene which did
increase with more gas output . The square container is completely clear and
comes from the Fluidyne Pacific Class gasifier (90m3/hr) and it has
always made clear condensate in both hemispheres except when incorrectly
fueled. It has not been possible to test larger gasifiers of our own design
here in New Zealand, hence the questions.<BR><BR>Any discussion would be
appreciated.<BR><BR>Doug
Williams,<BR><BR>Fluidyne.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>______________________________<WBR>_________________<BR>Gasification
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