<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>Dear Dr. Miles and the list:
<div> There is a significant difference between rice husk and cereal straw in that husk is high in silica which has a much higher ash fusion temperature than potash which is one of the principal components of plant matter and occurs in plants in differing amounts. To digress a bit, silica uptake by plants, of which grasses including bamboo can contain up to 40%, is not well understood and the chemistry is quite interesting. Plants and humans do not grow without silica. </div>
<div> Any of the fused elements can also have significant abrasion and corrosion issues, which defines materials of construction. </div>
<div> From Dr. Miles' statement about shaft power, it seems that this means a steam boiler system as opposed to engine operation from the nature of the process described, and IC engine operation is more challenging from the gas cleaning necessary, but boilers can also foul with mineral deposits and require extensive cleaning that seriously impedes long operating hours between downtime. </div>
<div> So far, it does not appear that the criteria set forth in the initial request has been met, and it is of some curiosity as to the conclusion of the inquirer? <br>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Flowable ag wastes with suitable ash chemistry are being gasified in Asia. For example, there are hundreds of rice husk gasifiers generating shaft power for rice mills. China build dozens of community scale straw gasifiers for heating and cooking. As Tom and Thomas have pointed out the ash chemistry of ag residues is a challenge for extended operation. That’s why carbonizing straws at low temperatures, keeping most of the ash in the char and burning the pyrolysis gas in a boiler to recover heat is an interesting alternative. You still accumulate slag in the pyrolyzer over time and have to clean it out periodically. </div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gasification [<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leland Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:35 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Straw Fueled CHP</div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Not surprising the comments below. The list of gasifier failures continues to grow without realizing the promises it portends. </span></div>
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From: Thomas Koch <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:tk@tke.dk">tk@tke.dk</a>><br>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I spend 3 years at the technical university in Denmark to build a 50-100 kg straw pyrolysis unit. I could not find any documents in English but here is a Danish reference about the demo plant that came out of it. - <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.videncenter.dk/gule%20halm%20haefte/Gul_Dansk/halm-DK09.pdf">http://www.videncenter.dk/gule%20halm%20haefte/Gul_Dansk/halm-DK09.pdf</a></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">And in the same period charloss was renamed to BioCCS.</span></div>
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<b>Sendt:</b> 24. december 2017 04:23<br>
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<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Gasification] Straw Fueled CHP</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Energy Farmers of Australia has very little specific information on their "projects" which is disappointing. By producing bio=char, you have a built in limit of energy conversion because bio-char or pyrolytic char represents the 30% fixed carbon in organic matter and is the overall thermal conversion is intrinsically limited by this loss. I am still of the opinion that long term "recycling" of crop residue which is what bio-char is has limited benefits from other nutrient depletion. </span></div>
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From: Jason <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:urepedese@gmail.com">urepedese@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
Sent: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 6:03 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Straw Fueled CHP</span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">try this crowd <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.energyfarmers.com.au">http://www.energyfarmers.com.au</a></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I was connected to Euan Beamont at energy farmers back in 2013, and exchanged a few emails with him. I directed him to this list, so he may be party to the conversation anyway. A mutual friend was Business Development Officer for the Council out there and was trying help progress for both Euan and myself. </span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Euan told me he knew these guys. <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.facebook.com/Green-Distillation-Technologies-427038147363145/">https://www.facebook.com/Green-Distillation-Technologies-427038147363145/</a></span></div>
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To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'" <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 22, 2017 4:19 AM<br>
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From: DARYL JOHN SCHERGER <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:daryl.scherger@bigpond.com">daryl.scherger@bigpond.com</a>><br>
To: gasification <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"><span class="aolmail_aolmailaolmailm3266041982651128693wtemail"></span></a><a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span>><br>
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Subject: [Gasification] Straw Fueled CHP</div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I'm looking for a supplier of proven gasification CHP systems that can use wheat straw as fuel, either shredded or as pellets. The outputs needed are 150 kWe net and 350 kWt. </span></div>
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