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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Harrie, Doug, and others,<br>
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I am working with Gary Gilmore on char-gasifiers for small IC
engines, including gensets up to 15 kWe that will output about 10
kWe when operated with char gas.<br>
<br>
Gary and I will be at the Argos Indiana gathering of "Drive on
Wood" that is on June 1, 2, 3. (One month from now.) <br>
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Our focus is NOT for providing chargas power to vehicles. (leave
that for gasoline and diesel.)<br>
<br>
Our prototype unit has (or is to have by then) the following
characteristics:<br>
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A. Continous operation, not a batch operation. Manual
operation, that can be automated.<br>
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B. Complete all the way to the attachment to the intake of
chargas into the IC engine. (not for diesel engines unless
someone else has provided spark ignition or is a diesel engine
expert.)<br>
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C. Low cost (but no pricing available at this time). The genset
is far more expensive than char-gasifier. Adding automation to
the char-gasifier would greatly increase the cost, and is not
recommended for low-income societies where labor is inexpensive.<br>
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D. Sizes to suit different sizes of engines.<br>
<br>
E. Information about char production and about proper sizing /
screening of the char is also available.<br>
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Yes, we are looking for SERIOUS collaborators who have skills and
resources. Both in North America AND internatioally. Contact
directly with us is fine ( <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> ), but some
discussion can be via the Gasification Listserv.<br>
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Gary and I will also be at the USBI (US Biochar Initiative)
conference in Wilmington, Delaware on 20 - 23 August 2018.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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On 5/2/2018 7:03 AM, Harrie Knoef wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Doug, Paul and all others, as long as Doug is on
this discussion list, I agreed with him, but in this case I
have my doubts. (Sorry Doug)</div>
<div>Why? </div>
<div>Cheap solutions based on charcoal gasification are
available. </div>
<div>Activated carbon on coconut shells is a good suggestion,
but this is not what Mr. Feinstein is asking for. </div>
<div>The company needs electricity and heat.</div>
<div>In my opinion Paul is correct: when charcoal is available
in remote a remote area it must be possible to produce heat
and electricity on a small scale.</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
title="psanders@ilstu.edu"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">Paul Anderson</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 02, 2018 2:34 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
title="gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification</a> ; <a
title="doug.williams.nz@gmail.com"
href="mailto:doug.williams.nz@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Doug</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="asa@cocoasenso.com"
href="mailto:asa@cocoasenso.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Asa Feinstein</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] FW: Gasification
internship opportunity in Philippines</div>
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and all,<br>
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You can count me as "in" to assist where appropriate.
Main topics for me include:<br>
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A. The production of electricity via char-gasification
gases into IC engines.<br>
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B. To better understand the amounts of heat wanted for the
drying processes.<br>
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C. Need to know about the types and amounts of biomass.<br>
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This Gasification Listserv is certainly a good place to have
further discussions.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/1/2018 4:40 PM, Doug
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Hi Gasification Colleagues,<br>
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While we can "collectively" offer <span style="FONT-SIZE:
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about everything for his project from a commercial
perspective, his project description clearly states that
they wish to develop cheap low cost solutions to become
locally manufactured. These are the things that bother
me regarding their concept objectives.<br>
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1. If he imports a Intern Engineer for $500 a month,
just how much real value could this person offer for
such a short term contract? <br>
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2. Making charcoal, no problem, but easiest and cheapest
option reduces waste heat collection or close coupled
combustion for driers.<br>
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3. Quality of charcoal for power generation is OK for
the cheapest char making option, but this is not the
quality found in activated carbon.<br>
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4. Steam is required for blanching the product, so a low
cost boiler is a necessity, along with water treatment,
the main factor of boiler efficiency, even cheap ones.<br>
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5. Steam blanching has an issue of toxic waste water,
and in a rural location, ground water will become
contaminated unless treated. Do they know about this and
who will monitor the ground water?<br>
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6. Maybe activated carbon can be used to clean up the
waste stream, but it would be purchased, as a cheap char
option does not create the type of temperature or steam
pressures to make it.<br>
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7. No indicative amount of power generation is stated,
but one might think it would be at least 15-20 kWe given
that motor start-ups on oil extruder's etc, need power
generation reserves. Cheap generators can be an
expensive low cost solution, especially if any computers
become part of the process. <br>
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Start-up rural projects like this have a history which
tell us not to reinvent the wheel yet once again. The
easiest way to do this is to offer unpaid enthusiastic
help to the selected engineering graduate, and this open
Gasification list offers a good way to do it., So who is
in, what can you offer Mr Feinsteins team? <br>
<br>
Doug Williams,<br>
Fluidyne.<br>
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