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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">what makes you say DC is easier than AC?<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">We run a network of both for 5 houses, deep well and workshop.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">There are 5 fridges, 2 deep freezers, vacuum cleaners and whatever one needs for moderate comfort.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">We rent 4 of these houses to holiday makers from all over the world.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">There is no utilities. <br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">We run 90% solar with deep cycle battery at 240 DC (108 cells).<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">All lights are on DC, directly from the battery. This avoids us emergency lighting in all these houses.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">We run our LAN over the DC grid and have WLAN at each end.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">All sockets are A C.We convert DC to AC in a standard 230 V 45 A Freq drive set at 50 Hz, than step it up to 230 VAC.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">My experience over the last 25 years is that DC gives us much more trouble than AC!<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">It is not only the switches, but also a lot more corrosion at any connection.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">If there is a bit of humidity inside the installation tubes, DC lines tend to foul and produce smoldering fires.<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; background-color: white;">The Grundfos submersible pump works great on D C!<br>
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From: Mark E. Ludlow <mark@LUDLOW.COM><br>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2018 8:24 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] APL Gasifier in the Microgrid at the 2018 Verge Conference<br>
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<div>What lacked is a, “Build it! They will come,” attitude. But as in the wonderful metaphor, suggests: “Cream rises to the Top”. We must be energized ; nervous...and be ready for when all those Cyborg eggs start start hatching, and dues of today, become due,
 for the rest of our profligate society; as well as a wide swath of Church Ladies that just knew, (My Dear!!) but </div>


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On Nov 10, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Anderson, Paul <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>

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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Electrical power topics are a bit outside of my base of knowledge.  So, I cannot comment about splitting of 3-phase power.  Maybe just create the power in single (split) phase.</div>


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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">But I do know something about charcoal gasification that can run internal combustion (IC) engines.   And about the making of appropriate charcoal.  You could use the heat from burning the pyrolysis gases for your drying purposes. 
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Much depends on the amount of biomass you have available.  Some places are with such excess biomass that people pay to get rid of it, or give it freely.  A little more about your situation could clear that topic.  Much depends on how much
 you really need to create your own power with biomass.</div>


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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD</div>


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<b>On Behalf Of </b><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk">jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk</a><br>

<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 10, 2018 12:33 PM<br>

<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] APL Gasifier in the Microgrid at the 2018 Verge Conference</div>

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<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">HI Paul,</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I run a woodchip/firewood business.</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We are offgrid, with 3.5 kw of solar and a 5kw generator as backup.</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We can get a connection to the grid of 30kwe but only single phase.</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I would like to source a chp unit to provide power to us and also to the grid, plus use any heat for drying woodchip.</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I presume you can split the 3 phase supply and export OK?</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am allright with nuts and bolts, currently running 2 biomass boilers and drying systems.</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks for your interest.</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I have looked at the Spanner system but the price does not work with regards to the economic payback.</span></div>


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<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Jess Christman</span></div>


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<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On 2018-11-09 14:32, Anderson, Paul wrote:</span></div>

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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Could you please describe your situation more completely.    In terms of needs for what power for how many people/
 businesses.   Then several of us could possibly better assist you.</span></div>


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<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1"></span></a><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></span>       Skype:   paultlud</div>


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<strong><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk">jess@blackislefirewood.co.uk</a><br>

<strong><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:03 PM<br>

<strong><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">To:</span></strong> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>

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<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">HI Tom,</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I live in Scotland and wonder how All Power Labs PP30 is performing?</span></div>


<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We are off grid and produce woodchip, so it would be a good fit. I am just concerned about reliability.</span></div>


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<div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On 2018-10-13 19:19,
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Tuesday, October 16</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>

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3:50 PM - 4:10 PM<br>

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<strong><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Wednesday, October 17</span></strong><br>

1:00 PM - 1:20 PM<br>

3:50 PM - 4:10 PM<br>

6:00 PM - 6:20 PM<br>

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