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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-ZA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Werner <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Please forward the prices to me as well please<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Johan Swarts<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Gasification <gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Werner Rhein<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 November 2018 10:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Greg,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The chip consumption of the Spanner units are around 1kg / kWh depending on quality of wood.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have some prices for the Spanner units in Euro but need a bit of time to sort it out.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Werner<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 12, 2018, at 20:01, Anderson, Paul <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greg,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You are stating about 1 pound of biomass per 1 kWe. The data sheet for Spanner is 0.9 kg per hour for 1 kWe (essentially your are half of their biomass consumption).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you have an estimate of price (maybe use Canandian costs) for have one unit made (not a DIY unit). Maybe triple that cost to have the price for a model to be sold by a business.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Email: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><span style='color:#0563C1'>psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a> Skype: paultlud<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Website: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.drtlud.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Greg Manning<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, November 12, 2018 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greetings Paul, and List members !<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As far as input goes, from 10lbs. An hour and up. Output from, 10 to 30 kwE <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The original design had a direct coupled Chevy 350, however I have since changed to a belt driven system, this way "what's available" can be used as a prime mover. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>As far as operation, and use, a 2 day training for someone that has very basic skills in mechanics for servicing, and a 1 day for people that will be gathering and/or preperation of the biomass.<br><br>As far as replication, off the North American continent a person with oxygen/acetylene torches could build it other than the actual generator.<br>Greg.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 4:27 PM Anderson, Paul <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Long time since we last communicated directly! You are one of those who “do.”<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please tell us size (input, output, etc.) and the extent that it could be replicated for large numbers of users. How much “skill level” is needed by the users? (YOU are not an average user. Could others operate it if the system was available?)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Email: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a> Skype: paultlud<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Website: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.drtlud.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Greg Manning<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:19 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Currently Busy with another project, HOWEVER, This post sparks my interest !<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do small scale biomass fired generation.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greg Manning,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Canadian Gasifier Ltd.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:31 PM Anderson, Paul <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tom and all,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please guide us (as a start) to understanding the needs and realities of off-grid non-solar power where biomass is plentiful. Are there some key links? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Low-population, forested high latitude areas (less sunlight) without easy boat or train access would seem to be a major geographic region of need. Diesel generators seem to dominate the power generation. What sources confirm these statements, how big is the problem (expressed as numbers of gensets at what sizes), and what is being done about it, and by whom? (Canadians, please reply with your info.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This should be a significant topic for this Listserv.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Email: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a> Skype: paultlud<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Website: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.drtlud.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b><a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>tmiles@trmiles.com</span></a><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:13 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Gasification] APL Gasifier in the Microgrid at the 2018 Verge Conference<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Are you in a marine air environment? There are many villages that need electricity in low coastal areas..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:5.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Tom<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Gasification@bioenergylists.org</span></a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Gasification@bioenergylists.org</span></a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
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