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<p>HI Bjorn,</p>
<p>What do you think of the small Spanner 10kw chp machine? </p>
<p>Yours,</p>
<p>Jess</p>
<p>Swallowfield Smallholding </p>
<p>Beauly</p>
<p>Scotland</p>
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<p>On 2018-11-15 07:01, Björn Kuntze wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">the older Spanner plants (HKA 45 and HKA 49) used low efficient GM-origin engines. These plants consume 0.9 kg/kWh_el.<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">The HKA70 uses engine with higher compression ratio and higher compressing turbochargers. These plants consume 0.8 kg/kWh_el.<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Please note that the provided wood consumption figures are based on wet basis (13% water content). Hence wood consumption based on dry matter (what I always recommend to use for comparison) is somewhat lower (0.8, respective 0.7 kg/kWh_el).<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The chip consumption of the Spanner units are around 1kg / kWh depending on quality of wood.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" rel="noreferrer">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>Greg Manning<br /><strong>Sent:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 12, 2018 12:15 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" rel="noreferrer">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br /><strong>Subject:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Please tell us size (input, output, etc.) and the extent that it could be replicated for large numbers of users. How much "skill level" is needed by the users? (YOU are not an average user. Could others operate it if the system was available?)<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color: purple;">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>Greg Manning<br /><strong>Sent:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:19 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color: purple;">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><br /><strong>Subject:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:31 PM Anderson, Paul <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color: purple;">psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a>> wrote:<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Please guide us (as a start) to understanding the needs and realities of off-grid non-solar power where biomass is plentiful. Are there some key links? <!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Gasification <<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color: purple;">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></strong><a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color: purple;">tmiles@trmiles.com</span></a><br /><strong>Sent:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:13 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color: purple;">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><br /><strong>Subject:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gasification] APL Gasifier in the Microgrid at the 2018 Verge Conference<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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