[Greenbuilding] drying clothes

Tue Aug 30 10:02:43 CDT 2011

One should never question logic with faulty logic. (I was tired, as i am now)
i had no idea mast germans don't have dryers. I knew many didn't have
cars, but they have a great public transportation system.
Too bad we are "required" in the states to wear something different
everyday. Creates a lot of laundry.
Hope that wasn't stupid.
Ben

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Racheli Gai
<racheli at sonoracohousing.com> wrote:
> Ben, I don't think what you said was completely stupid :)
>
> I think we need to differentiate between:  1- what everyone needs, in which
> case saying: Since so many people don't have
> it, it's ok not to have it is wrong, and 2-  So many things we have that we
> can easily do without.  eg: See all the people who manage
> just fine without dryers (and if they don't manage well, it's not because
> they don't have dryers.) - so perhaps dryers are not
> essential for having a decent and meaningful life...
>
> Racheli.
>
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
>
>> Ok--I admit--that was a really stupid thing to say.
>> Ben
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Kathy Cochran
>> <kathys_old_house at goldrush.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a GREAT line!  It made me feel so good when I hung my sheets out
>>> on
>>> the clothes line this afternoon!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kathy Cochran
>>>
>>> San Andreas, California
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> natural
>>> building
>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:50 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] drying clothes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What a wonderful analogy: You don't have a clothes dryer therefore you
>>> must
>>> be poor!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does the same apply if I don't have an electric toothbrush, or if the
>>> cat-flap isn't automated, or if I actually have to manually push buttons
>>> on
>>> my heating system thermostat?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow I never realised how 'poor' I am! :)
>>>
>>> But funny how good it feels!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In jest...
>>>
>>> Steve Satow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.naturalbuildingsite.net
>>>
>>> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2011-08-29, at 5:09 PM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
>>>
>>> "Most of the world doesn't use clothes dryers and somehow they manage."
>>>
>>> Not a great argument. Much of the people in the world don't have
>>> toilets, are malnourished, don't use birth control, don't have access
>>> to an education or healthcare, etc ,etc, etc. Most of the people dn't
>>> manage--at least their lives could be a whole lot better if  there
>>> were any justice in the world....
>>> I know those things are a lot more important than wrinkles. I'm just
>>> trying to say that telling anyone that they should live as if they are
>>> poor is not realistic.  Or maybe it's what we need to save the
>>> planet--A huge worldwide depression leading to disease and a huge
>>> reduction of the population
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:34 PM, candtcampbell at juno.com
>>> <candtcampbell at juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have not experimented with different detergents. My clothes are almost
>>>
>>> exclusively cotton and the city water probably is medium hard. But if I
>>> were
>>>
>>> to put a pair of blue jeans out to dry on a rack, I would expect the
>>> jeans
>>>
>>> to be so stiff when dry that they would almost stand by themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hm. You say you 'would expect' this. And I sense that your expectation
>>> would
>>>
>>> be that this state of affairs would be unacceptable. I wonder if you
>>> tried
>>>
>>> it (the drying on a rack, and putting the clothes on afterward) and
>>> report
>>>
>>> back. Most of the world doesn't use clothes dryers and somehow they
>>> manage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't say I couldn't manage. I'm trying to avoid potential problems
>>> before I consider investing in equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And badly wrinkled too. Underwear, flannel shirts and T shirts would fare
>>> no
>>>
>>> better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've washed all my laundry cold and dried it on the rack everywhere I've
>>>
>>> lived. I've also never ironed anything except, very rarely, a shirt. I
>>> don't
>>>
>>> go to weddings that often. I suppose I've been missing out all these
>>> years,
>>>
>>> but honestly I'm not sure what the problem is that you've conjured in
>>> your
>>>
>>> mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As problems go, wrinkles are pretty insignificant. But if I can avoid
>>> them,
>>> I will, just to be socially acceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> that is not my experience with blue jeans and cotton shirts, and I've
>>> been
>>>
>>> hanging clothes on the line for a long time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Waldrop, OKC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are hanging outdoors, I would think that the breeze blowing would
>>> deal well with the wrinkles. But I would also think that you risk soiling
>>> by
>>> birds and insects.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nor mine.  Nothing is stiff, and most of the wrinkles hang out.  Most of
>>> the
>>>>
>>>> clothes are cotton.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't the clothespins themselves create pinch marks?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (If you hang the shirts and pants upside down, and use 2 pins at the
>>> bottom
>>>>
>>>> corners, there's often no need for an iron.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent tip, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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