[Greenbuilding] living wall

belrivers at gmail.com belrivers at gmail.com
Sun Feb 6 16:21:26 CST 2011


Does anyone have any pictures of any of these possibilitiesFor a living wall?

Adjoa Linda

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Date: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:42:24 pm
To: "Green Building" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
From: "JOHN SALMEN" <terrain at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] living wall

I'm confused 
Are you talking about a vertical garden with a lot of soil pockets for
deeper rooted plants or an intensive type?

Structure is structure. Soil weight adds up so you need a base - most
vertical elements are strong in vertical alignment but then you need to
ensure they stay that way and not fall on someones head - if you use the
wall to anchor to you will be adding significant loading to the wall (easily
equivalent to another floors dead load on the wall - at least 8lbs/ft for 3"
soil). 

Job for an engineer to ensure safety. I like the concept for reducing heat
loads in urban places but we have for a while been moving gardens away from
walls to minimize moisture and creating a fire source next to a firewall
seems a bit counterintuitive. They do look great.

A grid network of 3 or 4" abs/pvc drainage type pipes 2 deep could be self
supporting up to maybe 10' depending how it was anchored. Perforated pipe
with top and side holes enlarged for planting could work - smaller holes
allowing for drainage and some aeration. If the pipes were soil filled or
progressively topped up it could allow for both shallow and some deep
rooted. Threaded rod anchored in a footing could help stablize by
compression.



JOHN SALMEN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN
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terrain at shaw.ca


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[mailto:greenbuildingbounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Gennaro
Brooks-Church
Sent: February 6, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Green Building
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] living wall

I've seen those. The problem is that the living wall looks like a
hexagonal vertical hairnet made of used tires, which is a very strong
aesthetic that not everyone likes. And the tire wight adds up really
quickly. The best design I've seen is around the milk crate style,
similar to the Tournesol VGM.
You can source that on your own. Recycled, long lasting, modular and
once filled out the crates can't be seen. Those crates range from one
foot deep to three inches so you can make a vertical landscape of
different depths and root requirements.
But it still raises the question of how to structurally hold the crates.
Gennaro Brooks-Church

Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
www.EcoBrooklyn.com
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231




On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:22 PM, nick pine <nick at early.com> wrote:
> Gennaro Brooks-Church writes:
>
>> I want a living wall with soil, not a climbing wall with climbers...
>
> How about a hexagonal vertical hairnet made of used tires?
>
> Nick
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