[Greenbuilding] Greenbuilding Digest, Vol 11, Issue 13

[Gennaro Brooks-Church]

I've heard of studies where they gave people a chalk pill and told
them it was a useless chalk pill. Nothing much happened. Then they
gave the same pill and said it was useful medicine. Lo and behold the
people said the pill helped....
So maybe in the end it doesn't matter if this devise works. It works
for Carmine.

Gennaro Brooks-Church

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Keith Winston
<keith at earthsunenergy.com> wrote:
>> From: Carmine Vasile <gfx-ch at msn.com>
>>
>> Nick: It's not just a "metal plate clamped onto the pipe"; it's an
>> ultrasonic resonator that extracts energy from running water. It takes a
>> while to begin working and will NOT "cost you heat energy" either.   Before
>> you condemn an invention you should do some homework. Carmine
>
> I think Nick's point about costing heat energy has to do with the heat
> dissipation of adding a fin to a tube. But in any case, if it "extracts"
> energy from running water, something happens: either the water gets colder,
> or there is greater resistance to flow in the pipe, as far as I can tell.
> But I've never seen anything that operates anything like this: resonators
> generally require very specific flow rates or frequencies that they are
> tuned to (i.e. the Takoma Narrows bridge bounced around for months before
> the conditions became perfect for it's destruction). This device doesn't
> specify anything about the flow rate. It also doesn't actually enter the
> water (that would open up regulatory cans of worms, no doubt), so where does
> this energy come from and how is it extracted? Why don't we use this
> incredible energy extraction technology to solve the worlds' energy
> problems? You say "do some homework", but I can't figure out the homework to
> do? There's no there there.
>
> One of the prominent features of humans is our ability to lie, including
> (and perhaps especially) to ourselves. One of the major advances/results of
> the development of science was to try to  provide a means for detecting and
> controlling our fabrications and exaggerations... even when we believe them.
> Our scientific understanding is always limited, so maybe this device is
> pushing the frontier, and it does something that we don't understand and
> can't properly explain. But that's not what I see: instead I see
> science-like mumbo-jumbo that is self-contradictory and meaningless. Which
> speaks to me of purposeful misleading. No independent testing, no
> peer-reviewed articles... Not even an honest "we don't underrstand how the
> hell this thing works, but it's amazing" (hint: that probably doesn't sell
> too many doo-hickeys).
>
> The green technology field is full of hand-waving empty promises, and  they
> can severely undermine the confidence people have in new technologies. But
> I'm probably raging pointlessly here: this is as old as human society. And
> maybe undermined confidence is a good thing: the problem here is not that
> people lie, but that people don't question.
>
> Keith
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