[Greenbuilding] Greenbuilding Digest, Vol 11, Issue 13

[Jason Holstine]

Do you know how magical colored water is for my kids when they complain of a
headache but don¹t really need any Tylenol?

Some kids never grow old of that need.


On 7/25/11 12:58 PM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church" <info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:

> I've heard of studies where they gave people a chalk pill and told
> them it was a useless chalk pill. Nothing much happened. Then they
> gave the same pill and said it was useful medicine. Lo and behold the
> people said the pill helped....
> So maybe in the end it doesn't matter if this devise works. It works
> for Carmine.
> 
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
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> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Keith Winston
> <keith at earthsunenergy.com> wrote:
>>> >> From: Carmine Vasile <gfx-ch at msn.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> Nick: It's not just a "metal plate clamped onto the pipe"; it's an
>>> >> ultrasonic resonator that extracts energy from running water. It takes a
>>> >> while to begin working and will NOT "cost you heat energy" either.  
>>> Before
>>> >> you condemn an invention you should do some homework. Carmine
>> >
>> > I think Nick's point about costing heat energy has to do with the heat
>> > dissipation of adding a fin to a tube. But in any case, if it "extracts"
>> > energy from running water, something happens: either the water gets colder,
>> > or there is greater resistance to flow in the pipe, as far as I can tell.
>> > But I've never seen anything that operates anything like this: resonators
>> > generally require very specific flow rates or frequencies that they are
>> > tuned to (i.e. the Takoma Narrows bridge bounced around for months before
>> > the conditions became perfect for it's destruction). This device doesn't
>> > specify anything about the flow rate. It also doesn't actually enter the
>> > water (that would open up regulatory cans of worms, no doubt), so where
>> does
>> > this energy come from and how is it extracted? Why don't we use this
>> > incredible energy extraction technology to solve the worlds' energy
>> > problems? You say "do some homework", but I can't figure out the homework
>> to
>> > do? There's no there there.
>> >
>> > One of the prominent features of humans is our ability to lie, including
>> > (and perhaps especially) to ourselves. One of the major advances/results of
>> > the development of science was to try to  provide a means for detecting and
>> > controlling our fabrications and exaggerations... even when we believe
>> them.
>> > Our scientific understanding is always limited, so maybe this device is
>> > pushing the frontier, and it does something that we don't understand and
>> > can't properly explain. But that's not what I see: instead I see
>> > science-like mumbo-jumbo that is self-contradictory and meaningless. Which
>> > speaks to me of purposeful misleading. No independent testing, no
>> > peer-reviewed articles... Not even an honest "we don't underrstand how the
>> > hell this thing works, but it's amazing" (hint: that probably doesn't sell
>> > too many doo-hickeys).
>> >
>> > The green technology field is full of hand-waving empty promises, and  they
>> > can severely undermine the confidence people have in new technologies. But
>> > I'm probably raging pointlessly here: this is as old as human society. And
>> > maybe undermined confidence is a good thing: the problem here is not that
>> > people lie, but that people don't question.
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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