[Greenbuilding] energy and power terms
Bob the Futureship
futureship0000 at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 22 09:12:55 CST 2011
Thank you for the scientific breakdown Mr. Pine!
I have been watching these calculations for years now
But do not know the formula's or a place for explanation
Of your calculations that I can research further.
My comments in GREEN follow:
Benjamin Pratt <benjamin.g.pratt at gmail.com> wrote:
>My house came with a small "Instant hot water dispenser" to keep 1/2 gallon
>of water at 190 degrees f...
... 1/2 gallon is 0.5/7.48 = 0.067 ft^3, eg a 0.4' cube with about 1 ft^2 of
surface.
1 cubic foot (ft^3) = 7.48051948 US gallon or 7.48 gals/ft^3. or .134
ft^3/gal
your ½ gallon calculation converted to cubic feet measurement
(In the following unit factor analysis calculation
the gallons cancel each
other out.)
.5 gals x .134 ft^3/gals = .067 ft^3 for a ½ gallon container.
Just to be clear on the math not to be nit picky
.067 ft^3 = .406 ft x .406 ft x .406 ft = .0669 ft^3
(.0669 rounded off to .067 ft^3) and (.406 rounded off to .4 ft)
Surface area of 0.4 cube = 6 sides x (.4 ft x .4ft) = .96 ft^2 ( rounded
off to 1 ft^2)
I was able to figure the previous calculations because of my engineering
background.
But now I need your help with the formulas you used in the building science
calculations:
>My wife wants to use it this winter and asked me how much it would cost us.
>It is 115v 6.5A 750w, and has 1/2" or so expanded foam insulation but not
>complete on all sides.
... 1 ft^2 completely surrounded with R2 insulation with no heat loss from
connecting pipes would have a 0.5 Btu/h-F conductance. At 190 F, it would
lose 24h(190-70)0.5 = 1440 Btu/day (0.42 kWh/day) to 70 F room air.
Can you tell me the how you get from 1 ft^2 to 0.5 Btu/h-F conductance?
What is the formula and a suggested reference to study the calculation?
And just to be clear
what was your conversion factor for Btus to Kwh?
>Our energy cost is about $0.09 kWh
$0.09 KWh x 0.42 KWh/day = $0.0378 per day
So it would cost about 4 cents per day to run. Or less, with more
insulation?
Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>After building a Passive House in NY I learned it only needed insulation to
>code - R18. What made it or broke it was how well the 6mil plastic air
>barrier was sealed. Just a one inch hole in the plastic rendered the house
>unable to heat with the tiny mini-splits.
Two of these $399 9K Btu/h COP 3.5 compressors?
http://www.minisplitshop.com/store/product.php?productid=261&cat=0&page=1
The 99% winter design temp in NYC is 12 F, ie it's warmer 99% of the time. A
16' tall 70 F house with a 1" hole at the top and bottom would have about
16.6/144sqrt(16'(70-12)) = 3.5 cfm of natural air leakage with about
3.5(70-12) = 204 Btu/h (60 watts) of heat loss.
I could not follow these calculations?
99% winter design temp ? Is this a worst case scenario and where did you get
this number?
16 tall 70 F house? I dont understand the 16 tall house
16.6 / 144sqrt(16(70-12)) ? Can you tell me what the formula is for this
calculation?
3.5(70-12) ? Can you tell me what formula this is?
>Seal the hole and you can heat the house with a hair drier.
If I have not tried your patience up to this point then explanation of the
formulas used in these
calculations would be tremendous! If possible a reference to where I can
found explanation
of formulas.
If the compressors supply 18K Btu/h and the house needs 18K - 204 = 17796
Btu/h (5216 W) without the hole, you could heat it with 5216/1500 = 3.5 1500
watt hair dryers.
OTOH, NREL says 980 Btu/ft^2 falls on a south wall on an average 31.5
January day in December. If the house with the hole has a 18K/(70-12) = 310
Btu/h conductance, and it needs 24h(70-31.5)310 = 287K Btu/day, and 600
kWh/mo of indoor electrical use provides 68K of that, and 1 ft^2 of R2
twinwall polycarbonate with 80 F air inside gains 0.8x980-6h(80-31.5)/R2 =
639 Btu/day, we can heat it on an average December day with 342 ft^2 of
solar siding with an infinite COP. It needs about 1.1 million Btu for 5
cloudy days in a row, which might come from 1.1M/(140-80) = 18K pounds (292
ft^3) of water cooling from 140 to 80 F in a 4' tall x 10' diameter sheet
metal swimming pool. R30 insulation would lower the house conductance to 186
Btu/h-F and allow using 162 ft^2 of solar siding and a 4' tall x 3' diameter
tank.
Corwyn <corwyn at midcoast.com> wrote:
>... Microwave is almost certainly the most efficient way to heat water;
I'd vote for an electric teakettle with an automatic shutoff.
Nick
Thank you very much,
Bob Jakaitis aka Jake at the Lake
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