[Greenbuilding] ENERGY STAR Clothes Dryers Program Launch

[Steven Tjiang]

My message to corwyn should have read "I am really sorry I don't live up to
your standard" :-)

Pontificating on personal moral superiority and then expecting others to
follow hasn't worked so far; probably never will in a democratic society.
 So we need to do something else if the situation is so dire.

My household of 4 uses 4000 kwh annually net for all household needs except
for transport (still working on that one).  I guess I am still evil because
I dry my clothes in an electric dryer in addition to line drying.  I don't
expect others to follow my example but I am in full support of higher
energy prices and more efficiency because that will actually make a
difference.

P.S. I don't want to get into an argument about net metering :-)

On Jul 22, 2012 5:36 AM, "Paul Eldridge" <paul.eldridge at ns.sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Count me as one of the evil doers, Steve.  But, hey, I purchase 3,000
> kWh/year of renewable energy in excess of our household needs and you're
> welcome to all of it.  :-)
>
> There are roughly 90 million tumble dryers in the United States alone and
> no matter how much we collectively hold our breath and stomp our feet (or
> pontificate), they're not going to magically disappear.
>
>
> According to Natural Resources Canada, electric dryers sold in 2008
> consume, on average, 916 kWh a year.  That number is based on eight loads a
> week, which works out to be some 2.2 kWh per use. As a two person
> household, we typically run two loads of laundry a week -- 229 kWh/year.  A
> TV set-top box (and there are reportedly 160 million of them in US
> households) or digital video recorder could consume upwards of twice that
> over the course of the year. Where are the pitchforks and torches?
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>
>> I am really I don't live up to your standard.
>>
>> I guess there is no hope for us all.
>>
>> ---- Steve (KZ6LSD)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Corwyn <corwyn at midcoast.com  <
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>>  /  On 7/21/2012 5:57 PM, Steven Tjiang wrote:
>>>
>> />>/
> />>>/  Reuben, you're right in "purist" sense but I think the energy star
> dryer
> />>>/  program is still a net win.
> />>>/
> />>>/  A net win for the planet.  Think long term. If we run a program to
> />>>/  convince people to line dry OR we make energy star dryers the
> standard,
> />>>/  which one would result in less energy use for clothes drying?  Of
> />>>/  course, we should do both.  BTW, clothes dryer don't have to use
> fossil
> />>>/  fuels.  Mine is electric and when I use it, it is powered by
> renewables.
> />>/
> />>/
> />>/  Thinking long term, any carbon put into the atmosphere stays there
> for
> />>/  around a century.  It doesn't care what you did to get it there.  It
> />>/  doesn't care how important you thought that convenience was.
> />>/
> />>/  If you are using renewables on clothes drying, that means they can't
> be
> />>/  used to replace someone else's fossil fuel usage.  So more fossil
> fuels get
> />>/  burned.  Until the entire grid is renewable, extravagant use of
> renewables
> />>/  means more fossil fuels burnt.
> />>/
> />>/
> />>/  Thank You Kindly,
> />>/
> />>/  Corwyn
> />>/
> />>/
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