[Greenbuilding] Greenbuilding Digest, Vol 29, Issue 13
Amy Bauman, greenGoat
abauman at greengoat.org
Thu Jan 17 14:31:26 CST 2013
If the house is traditional in character, consider the completely luddite "key turn" kind. One drills a hole in the door to secure a bracketed bell that is hit by a key-turned mallet.
Popular in the 1800's.
Or invent a pull cord versión.
Good Luck!
Amy Bauman
greenGoat
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2. Re: Doorbell options (molasses at q.com)
3. Re: Doorbell options (Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn)
4. Re: Doorbell options (John Salmen)
5. Re: Doorbell options (Corwyn)
6. Re: Doorbell options (RT)
7. Re: Doorbell options (Benjamin Pratt)
8. Re: Doorbell options (Kathy Cochran)
9. Re: Doorbell options (John Salmen)
10. Re: Doorbell options (Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn)
11. Re: Doorbell options (RT)
12. mini-split system (Sacie Lambertson)
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:04:57 -0800 (PST)
From: David Wentling <dpwentling at ymail.com>
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Working with client to reduce electrical loads before they consider installing a PV system.
We have done many things, including lighting reduction, smart outlets, Energy Star appliances, change from desktop to laptop computers (including sleep mode settings), occupant sensors on certain lights, and removal of clock radios that were never listen to.
Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had limited success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues have been some problems.
Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
Any experience with rechargeable batteries? I have been following the thread on recharging alkaline batteries with interest.
?
David Wentling
ConservFirst.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:15:34 -0500 (EST)
From: molasses at q.com
To: David Wentling <dpwentling at ymail.com>, Green Building
<greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
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I like the kind of doorbell that uses a big brass thingy to bang against the door loudly.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:04:57 PM
Subject: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
Working with client to reduce electrical loads before they consider installing a PV system.
We have done many things, including lighting reduction, smart outlets, Energy Star appliances, change from desktop to laptop computers (including sleep mode settings), occupant sensors on certain lights, and removal of clock radios that were never listen to.
Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had limited success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues have been some problems.
Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
Any experience with rechargeable batteries? I have been following the thread on recharging alkaline batteries with interest.
David Wentling
ConservFirst.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:16:48 -0500
From: Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <info at ecobrooklyn.com>
To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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A dog?
Gennaro Brooks-Church
Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
www.EcoBrooklyn.com
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:15 PM, <molasses at q.com> wrote:
> I like the kind of doorbell that uses a big brass thingy to bang against the
> door loudly.
>
> ________________________________
> From: "David Wentling" <dpwentling at ymail.com>
> To: "Green Building" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:04:57 PM
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
>
>
> Working with client to reduce electrical loads before they consider
> installing a PV system.
>
> We have done many things, including lighting reduction, smart outlets,
> Energy Star appliances, change from desktop to laptop computers (including
> sleep mode settings), occupant sensors on certain lights, and removal of
> clock radios that were never listen to.
>
> Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had limited
> success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues have been some
> problems.
>
> Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
>
> Any experience with rechargeable batteries? I have been following the thread
> on recharging alkaline batteries with interest.
>
> David Wentling
> ConservFirst.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:23:51 -0800
From: "John Salmen" <terrain at shaw.ca>
To: "'David Wentling'" <dpwentling at ymail.com>, "'Green Building'"
<greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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What is the efficiency of an alkaline battery 50-60%?.
You would be interested in this persons site (not just for the doorbell)
http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/PimpMyDoorbellButton.html
From: Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
On Behalf Of David Wentling
Sent: January-16-13 3:05 PM
To: Green Building
Subject: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
Working with client to reduce electrical loads before they consider
installing a PV system.
We have done many things, including lighting reduction, smart outlets,
Energy Star appliances, change from desktop to laptop computers (including
sleep mode settings), occupant sensors on certain lights, and removal of
clock radios that were never listen to.
Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had limited
success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues have been some
problems.
Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
Any experience with rechargeable batteries? I have been following the thread
on recharging alkaline batteries with interest.
David Wentling
ConservFirst.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:57:29 -0500
From: Corwyn <corwyn at midcoast.com>
To: David Wentling <dpwentling at ymail.com>, Green Building
<greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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Greetings,
I would consider an old-fashioned pull bell. No electricity required at
all, much more beautiful.
Thank You Kindly,
Corwyn
--
Topher Belknap
Green Fret Consulting
Kermit didn't know the half of it...
http://www.greenfret.com/
topher at greenfret.com
(207) 882-7652
On 1/16/2013 6:04 PM, David Wentling wrote:
> Working with client to reduce electrical loads before they consider
> installing a PV system.
>
> We have done many things, including lighting reduction, smart outlets,
> Energy Star appliances, change from desktop to laptop computers
> (including sleep mode settings), occupant sensors on certain lights, and
> removal of clock radios that were never listen to.
>
> Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had limited
> success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues have been
> some problems.
>
> Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
>
> Any experience with rechargeable batteries? I have been following the
> thread on recharging alkaline batteries with interest.
> David Wentling
> ConservFirst.com
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:59:29 -0500
From: RT <archilogic at yahoo.ca>
To: GBioEL <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:04:57 -0500, David Wentling <dpwentling at ymail.com>
wrote:
> Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had limited
> success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues have been
> some problems.
>
> Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
>
> Any experience with rechargeable batteries?
Around my neighbourhood, dogs seem to be the most reliable annunciators.
In particular, it seems that Black Labs are the most effective in that
they seem to have the ability to hear someone approaching from as far away
as 500 ft or more and seem to be able to distinguish between "regulars"
who don't need to be announced ... and strangers, who elicit a response
that is capable of waking the near-dead.
And therein lies the problem with dogs as door annunciators. There are
times when it's not convenient to have the Hounds of Hell unleashed at
full volume.
OTOH, my Malamute never barks and would be delighted to have people show
up at the door -- more playthings for him.
I used to utilise programmable wireless door chimes for an elderly person
whose mobility had deteriorated to the point of needing assistance to get
up and move around.
Sending units were placed beside her favourite chair, by her bedside and
in the bathrooms and receivers were placed throughout the house and out in
the shop so that assistance could be summoned without fail.
I tried several systems -- senders that used 3 volt lithium button
batteries, 1.5 volt AAA batteries (I used NiMHs) and A23 12 volt batteries.
The most reliable sending units were the ones utilising the 12 volt
batteries. The ones using AAA and button batteries were so unreliable,
unpredictable and quirky as to be useless.
The problem though is that rechargeable A23-size 12 volt batteries and
chargers aren't very common, if they exist at all.
Perhaps for a doorbell system used as such, the sending units could be
wired to a 12 volt car battery (which is rechargeable and for which
photovoltaic trickle chargers are readily available ?
--
=== * ===
Rob Tom AOD257
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
< A r c h i L o g i c at Y a h o o dot c a >
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:24:32 -0600
From: Benjamin Pratt <benjamin.g.pratt at gmail.com>
To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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I would guess that a dog would be one of the most inefficient
doorbells one could find. They may not use electricity, but they use
a lot of food and require constant maintenance.
Ben
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM, RT <archilogic at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:04:57 -0500, David Wentling <dpwentling at ymail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had limited
>> success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues have been some
>> problems.
>>
>> Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
>>
>> Any experience with rechargeable batteries?
>
>
> Around my neighbourhood, dogs seem to be the most reliable annunciators.
>
> In particular, it seems that Black Labs are the most effective in that they
> seem to have the ability to hear someone approaching from as far away as 500
> ft or more and seem to be able to distinguish between "regulars" who don't
> need to be announced ... and strangers, who elicit a response that is
> capable of waking the near-dead.
>
> And therein lies the problem with dogs as door annunciators. There are times
> when it's not convenient to have the Hounds of Hell unleashed at full
> volume.
>
> OTOH, my Malamute never barks and would be delighted to have people show up
> at the door -- more playthings for him.
>
> I used to utilise programmable wireless door chimes for an elderly person
> whose mobility had deteriorated to the point of needing assistance to get up
> and move around.
>
> Sending units were placed beside her favourite chair, by her bedside and in
> the bathrooms and receivers were placed throughout the house and out in the
> shop so that assistance could be summoned without fail.
>
> I tried several systems -- senders that used 3 volt lithium button
> batteries, 1.5 volt AAA batteries (I used NiMHs) and A23 12 volt batteries.
>
> The most reliable sending units were the ones utilising the 12 volt
> batteries. The ones using AAA and button batteries were so unreliable,
> unpredictable and quirky as to be useless.
>
> The problem though is that rechargeable A23-size 12 volt batteries and
> chargers aren't very common, if they exist at all.
>
> Perhaps for a doorbell system used as such, the sending units could be wired
> to a 12 volt car battery (which is rechargeable and for which photovoltaic
> trickle chargers are readily available ?
>
> --
> === * ===
> Rob Tom AOD257
> Kanata, Ontario, Canada
>
> < A r c h i L o g i c at Y a h o o dot c a >
> (manually winnow the chaff from my edress if you hit "reply")
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:07:46 -0800
From: "Kathy Cochran" <kathys_old_house at goldrush.com>
To: "'Green Building'" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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My experience with Black (or Chocolate) Labs is that they soon learn that
"every human being" is "wonderful" so they bark with the same enthusiasm no
matter who it is. Yes, they eat a lot, and require maintenance, but they
give you unconditional love no matter who you are or what you do, so that
cannot be removed from the equation of what is "worth it."
Cheers,
Kathy Cochran
San Andreas, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
On Behalf Of Benjamin Pratt
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:25 PM
To: Green Building
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
I would guess that a dog would be one of the most inefficient doorbells one
could find. They may not use electricity, but they use a lot of food and
require constant maintenance.
Ben
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM, RT <archilogic at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:04:57 -0500, David Wentling
> <dpwentling at ymail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had
>> limited success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues
>> have been some problems.
>>
>> Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
>>
>> Any experience with rechargeable batteries?
>
>
> Around my neighbourhood, dogs seem to be the most reliable annunciators.
>
> In particular, it seems that Black Labs are the most effective in that
> they seem to have the ability to hear someone approaching from as far
> away as 500 ft or more and seem to be able to distinguish between
> "regulars" who don't need to be announced ... and strangers, who
> elicit a response that is capable of waking the near-dead.
>
> And therein lies the problem with dogs as door annunciators. There are
> times when it's not convenient to have the Hounds of Hell unleashed at
> full volume.
>
> OTOH, my Malamute never barks and would be delighted to have people
> show up at the door -- more playthings for him.
>
> I used to utilise programmable wireless door chimes for an elderly
> person whose mobility had deteriorated to the point of needing
> assistance to get up and move around.
>
> Sending units were placed beside her favourite chair, by her bedside
> and in the bathrooms and receivers were placed throughout the house
> and out in the shop so that assistance could be summoned without fail.
>
> I tried several systems -- senders that used 3 volt lithium button
> batteries, 1.5 volt AAA batteries (I used NiMHs) and A23 12 volt
batteries.
>
> The most reliable sending units were the ones utilising the 12 volt
> batteries. The ones using AAA and button batteries were so unreliable,
> unpredictable and quirky as to be useless.
>
> The problem though is that rechargeable A23-size 12 volt batteries and
> chargers aren't very common, if they exist at all.
>
> Perhaps for a doorbell system used as such, the sending units could be
> wired to a 12 volt car battery (which is rechargeable and for which
> photovoltaic trickle chargers are readily available ?
>
> --
> === * ===
> Rob Tom AOD257
> Kanata, Ontario, Canada
>
> < A r c h i L o g i c at Y a h o o dot c a > (manually winnow the
> chaff from my edress if you hit "reply")
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:36:53 -0800
From: "John Salmen" <terrain at shaw.ca>
To: <topher at greenfret.com>, "'Green Building'"
<greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>, "'David Wentling'"
<dpwentling at ymail.com>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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I like those - I have a memory of a beautiful gate with a pull cord that ran
50' or so to the house.
I never use doorbells when visiting as I expect them not to work so I just
bang on the door (generally after calling to say that I am coming) and if
that doesn't work I open the door and yell.
I use crunchy gravel paths which for some reason seem to resonate through
thermal glass. If not our door is unlocked and people employ the knock, open
and yell approach. Could be a local custom.
-----Original Message-----
From: Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
On Behalf Of Corwyn
Sent: January-16-13 4:57 PM
To: David Wentling; Green Building
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
Greetings,
I would consider an old-fashioned pull bell. No electricity required at
all, much more beautiful.
Thank You Kindly,
Corwyn
--
Topher Belknap
Green Fret Consulting
Kermit didn't know the half of it...
http://www.greenfret.com/
topher at greenfret.com
(207) 882-7652
On 1/16/2013 6:04 PM, David Wentling wrote:
> Working with client to reduce electrical loads before they consider
> installing a PV system.
>
> We have done many things, including lighting reduction, smart outlets,
> Energy Star appliances, change from desktop to laptop computers
> (including sleep mode settings), occupant sensors on certain lights,
> and removal of clock radios that were never listen to.
>
> Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had
> limited success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues
> have been some problems.
>
> Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
>
> Any experience with rechargeable batteries? I have been following the
> thread on recharging alkaline batteries with interest.
> David Wentling
> ConservFirst.com
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:38:41 -0500
From: Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <info at ecobrooklyn.com>
To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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My gatekeeper takes care of all that nonsense for me. A doorbell is
good for more humble dwellings but if you really want to keep the
riffraff out you can't beat a loyal gatekeeper. I mean of course you
can beat him when he gets out of line rather I mean he is invaluable
to a respectable estate.
Gennaro Brooks-Church
Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
www.EcoBrooklyn.com
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM, John Salmen <terrain at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I like those - I have a memory of a beautiful gate with a pull cord that ran
> 50' or so to the house.
>
> I never use doorbells when visiting as I expect them not to work so I just
> bang on the door (generally after calling to say that I am coming) and if
> that doesn't work I open the door and yell.
>
> I use crunchy gravel paths which for some reason seem to resonate through
> thermal glass. If not our door is unlocked and people employ the knock, open
> and yell approach. Could be a local custom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> On Behalf Of Corwyn
> Sent: January-16-13 4:57 PM
> To: David Wentling; Green Building
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
>
> Greetings,
>
> I would consider an old-fashioned pull bell. No electricity required at
> all, much more beautiful.
>
> Thank You Kindly,
>
> Corwyn
>
> --
> Topher Belknap
> Green Fret Consulting
> Kermit didn't know the half of it...
> http://www.greenfret.com/
> topher at greenfret.com
> (207) 882-7652
>
> On 1/16/2013 6:04 PM, David Wentling wrote:
>> Working with client to reduce electrical loads before they consider
>> installing a PV system.
>>
>> We have done many things, including lighting reduction, smart outlets,
>> Energy Star appliances, change from desktop to laptop computers
>> (including sleep mode settings), occupant sensors on certain lights,
>> and removal of clock radios that were never listen to.
>>
>> Now they are looking at transformers and doorbells. We have had
>> limited success with wireless units. Interference or corrosion issues
>> have been some problems.
>>
>> Is there anyone on the list, that had good stories with alternatives?
>>
>> Any experience with rechargeable batteries? I have been following the
>> thread on recharging alkaline batteries with interest.
>> David Wentling
>> ConservFirst.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Greenbuilding mailing list
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:16:26 -0500
From: RT <archilogic at yahoo.ca>
To: "Green Building" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Doorbell options
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:32 -0500, Benjamin Pratt
<benjamin.g.pratt at gmail.com> wrote:
> They may not use electricity, but they use
> a lot of food and require constant maintenance.
I've heard similar words muttered by people when referring to their
teen-aged sons and/or spousal units but oddly enough, we humans still seem
to keep having them .
It seems that we humans do a lot of things that simply don't make any
sense from the perspective of efficiency or a balance sheet.
It just so happens that a friend whose firm includes the word
"Sustainable" in its name sent along the following evaluation of the
relative merits of dogs vs. one of the aforementioned:
(Hey, don't shoot me. I'm just the messenger. And besides, Ben started it.
Blame him.)
=============Forwarded material ==============
Why Some Men Have Dogs instead of Wives:
1. The later you are, the more excited your dogs are to see you.
2. Dogs don't notice if you call them by another dog's name.
3. Dogs like it if you leave a lot of things on the floor.
4. A dog's parents never visit.
5. Dogs agree that you have to raise your voice to get your point across.
6. You never have to wait for a dog; they're ready to go 24 hours a day.
7. Dogs find you amusing when you're drunk..
8. Dogs like to go hunting and fishing.
9. A dog will not wake you up at night to ask, "If I died, would you get
another dog?"
10. If a dog has babies, you can put an ad in the paper and give them away.
11. A dog will let you put a studded collar on it without calling you a
pervert.
12. If a dog smells another dog on you, they don't get mad. They just
think it's interesting.
13. Dogs like to ride in the back of a pickup truck.
And last, but not least:
14. If a dog leaves, it won't take half of your stuff.
To test this theory: Lock your wife and your dog in the garage for an
hour. Then open it and see who's happy to see you.
=============End of forwarded material ===============
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Rob Tom AOD257
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
< A r c h i L o g i c at Y a h o o dot c a >
(manually winnow the chaff from my edress if you hit "reply")
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:49 -0600
From: Sacie Lambertson <sacie.lambertson at gmail.com>
To: Greenbuilding <Greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: [Greenbuilding] mini-split system
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An interesting article in GreenbuildingAdvisor.com by Marc Rosenbaum
who used to be active on our forum, this regarding his use of mini-splits
to keep his house warm. He speaks of date derived from two years
experience, saying his heating costs for that time came to $250/year.
Located in Massachusetts on Martha's Vineyard. All sorts of caveats apply
to his situation, including the quite high cost of installation.
Cheers, Sacie
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