[Greenbuilding] simple energy-less home

[Jason Holstine]

How many people gauge light bulbs by the wattage instead of lumens?
Misrepresented and distorted units of measure are an intrusive truth.


On 5/22/13 11:36 PM, "JOHN SALMEN" <terrain at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Chomsky once said something to the effect that American intelligence was
> underrated and pointed to the publics grasp of baseball statistics
> We have adopted mpg not mp$
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> I am concerned at your tone Sacie. This is not my "take" and you CAN be sure
> that I am correct. Dollars are not a measure of energy use. And it would seem
> that on this list of all lists that environmental impact and energy not
> dollars would be what mattered.
> A lack of numeracy and basic science amongst most of the public is IMO a major
> obstacle to green building. Measuring energy with dollars is a classic
> example.  
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>                                                 From: Sacie Lambertson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 20:23
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> Interesting take John.  While I'm sure you are correct, most people would not
> possibly understand any other measurement.
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> Certainly though, point taken.  The Kw used on our electrical bill is half the
> entire bill.  And then one has to consider what the kw charge is in each area;
> we're quite high here out in the country where our coop buys from the big
> electrical makers.
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> And then some people do measure happiness in dollars (:
> Sacie
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> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, John Straube <jfstraube at uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> Using dollars to measure energy is like measuring happiness with dollars.
>> There is some correlation but quite limited.
>> I know of a cottage in Ontario that paid more then 30 per month while it's
>> electrical system was torn out eg. it used zero power during that time.
>> Kwh or btu or even joules should be used for measuring energy use.
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>> From: Reuben Deumling
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 18:21
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>> Cool. I'd like to see numbers, though. When you have PV on the roof, $240
>> doesn't mean that much (at least to me).
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>> My family's annual energy bills total $400 of which >half are fixed charges
>> unrelated to usage and I have no PV.
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>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Sacie Lambertson
>> <sacie.lambertson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Very simply designed house in Maine uses little energy to operate:
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>>> http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/10895176/list?utm_source=Houzz&utm_campaign=u
>>> 284&utm_medium=email&utm_content=gallery1
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>>> Lots of readers' comments follow.
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>>> Sacie
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