[Greenbuilding] Polyiso strength on roof

[ErgoDesk]

You saw the LA apartment fire, nearly finished and now needs to be totally
rebuilt, calculate that one. Mew Your only gets Flooded now and then, you
saw what happened there, calculate that. Climate Change is altering all the
rules and smart people will survive not the cheap ones.

http://about.me/StyroHome


On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <
info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:

> ok....Your first link says EPS has 28 times more embodied energy than
> cellulose, which is what I've read. It says wood is three times more than
> EPS. But this is per cubic meter and you would never use any where near as
> much wood as EPS in a home.
> Your other link is to the site that is selling EPS homes, the same site
> that fails to mention the high embodied energy of EPS, which either means
> they didn't do their homework or they are purposefully omitting that info.
> We know it is the latter. I don't trust people like that.
> Another point that screams greenwashing:
> If the salesman says it is recyclable, it's greenwashing.
> If the salesman says it is recycled, keep listening.
>
> These guys say EPS is recyclable as one of it's green points. Everything
> is recyclable. It's a misleading comment.
>
> I'm not bashing EPS homes. It's a great concept. I'm just saying I'm not
> going to start building homes out of it until I see how its huge embodied
> energy fits into the equation. Then I'm going to look into what it means to
> live in a plastic house. If those two things pass then I think we've got a
> winner.
>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:55 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Depends on who and how you ask, here are some of my refs.
>> http://www.evernote.com/l/AAL5N-jyW1lP0J92qy-R7MAlck9u9cCR_OQ/
>>
>> http://about.me/StyroHome
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <
>> info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Topher you beat me to it. I was going to mention the 700 year old house
>>> in Schwyz central Switzerland. Who is talking about OSB? Ergo before you go
>>> touting the magic of plastic all I am saying is that you need to take into
>>> consideration the massive amounts of embodied energy that EPS has. Have you
>>> done those calculations? I would be curious. I did read an authoritative
>>> article claiming that retrofitting an old house is definitely better than
>>> raising it and building new in terms of energy used (both in construction
>>> and life of the building).
>>>
>>>
>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:37 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Funny dude, you can't build that same 250-year-old house from today's
>>>> OSB crap, nor can you find a 250 year old house that energy efficient.
>>>>
>>>> http://about.me/StyroHome
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Topher <topher at greenfret.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/8/2014 7:20 PM, ErgoDesk wrote:
>>>>> > Wood house needs rebuilding every 34 years
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, I audited a 250 year old house just the other day.  Can you
>>>>> point
>>>>> me at a 250 year old EPS building.
>>>>>
>>>>> The big trouble with EPS is the global warming potential, it requires
>>>>> multiplying that embodied energy by roughly 1000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You Kindly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Topher
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Topher Belknap
>>>>> Green Fret Consulting
>>>>> Kermit didn't know the half of it...
>>>>> http://www.GreenFret.com/
>>>>> topher at greenfret.com
>>>>>
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