[Greenbuilding] Polyiso strength on roof

Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn info at ecobrooklyn.com
Tue Dec 9 06:51:18 CST 2014


How about smart cheap people?

Gennaro Brooks-Church
Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
www.EcoBrooklyn.com
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:19 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:

> You saw the LA apartment fire, nearly finished and now needs to be totally
> rebuilt, calculate that one. Mew Your only gets Flooded now and then, you
> saw what happened there, calculate that. Climate Change is altering all the
> rules and smart people will survive not the cheap ones.
>
> http://about.me/StyroHome
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <
> info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>
>> ok....Your first link says EPS has 28 times more embodied energy than
>> cellulose, which is what I've read. It says wood is three times more than
>> EPS. But this is per cubic meter and you would never use any where near as
>> much wood as EPS in a home.
>> Your other link is to the site that is selling EPS homes, the same site
>> that fails to mention the high embodied energy of EPS, which either means
>> they didn't do their homework or they are purposefully omitting that info.
>> We know it is the latter. I don't trust people like that.
>> Another point that screams greenwashing:
>> If the salesman says it is recyclable, it's greenwashing.
>> If the salesman says it is recycled, keep listening.
>>
>> These guys say EPS is recyclable as one of it's green points. Everything
>> is recyclable. It's a misleading comment.
>>
>> I'm not bashing EPS homes. It's a great concept. I'm just saying I'm not
>> going to start building homes out of it until I see how its huge embodied
>> energy fits into the equation. Then I'm going to look into what it means to
>> live in a plastic house. If those two things pass then I think we've got a
>> winner.
>>
>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:55 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on who and how you ask, here are some of my refs.
>>> http://www.evernote.com/l/AAL5N-jyW1lP0J92qy-R7MAlck9u9cCR_OQ/
>>>
>>> http://about.me/StyroHome
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <
>>> info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Topher you beat me to it. I was going to mention the 700 year old house
>>>> in Schwyz central Switzerland. Who is talking about OSB? Ergo before you go
>>>> touting the magic of plastic all I am saying is that you need to take into
>>>> consideration the massive amounts of embodied energy that EPS has. Have you
>>>> done those calculations? I would be curious. I did read an authoritative
>>>> article claiming that retrofitting an old house is definitely better than
>>>> raising it and building new in terms of energy used (both in construction
>>>> and life of the building).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:37 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funny dude, you can't build that same 250-year-old house from today's
>>>>> OSB crap, nor can you find a 250 year old house that energy efficient.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://about.me/StyroHome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Topher <topher at greenfret.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/8/2014 7:20 PM, ErgoDesk wrote:
>>>>>> > Wood house needs rebuilding every 34 years
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, I audited a 250 year old house just the other day.  Can you
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> me at a 250 year old EPS building.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The big trouble with EPS is the global warming potential, it requires
>>>>>> multiplying that embodied energy by roughly 1000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank You Kindly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Topher
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Topher Belknap
>>>>>> Green Fret Consulting
>>>>>> Kermit didn't know the half of it...
>>>>>> http://www.GreenFret.com/
>>>>>> topher at greenfret.com
>>>>>>
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