[Greenbuilding] embodied energy was Polyiso strength on roof

Wed Dec 10 17:11:42 CST 2014

Admit that you are afraid of becoming irrelevant in the industry because of
being afraid of better technologies that give you a better product for half
the price.

The Passive House enthusiasts are now using EPS for their Foundation
Insulation because it's the BEST Choice.

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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <
info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:

> George when I "get all the pieces fitting together" I'll realize the value
> of EPS buildings? What do you mean? Like when I become enlightened beyond
> my current state of ignorance?
>
> Show me the facts. The facts I've seen so far is that EPS has an embodied
> energy that does not justify the life of the building. Compared to stick
> and cellulose, or rammed earth, or cob or straw bale. Am I wrong anyone?
>
> George did you mention on this list that you were selling EPS houses?
> To me that's pretty important.
>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <
> info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:29 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When you get all the pieces fitting together you start to realize that
>>> EPS is an excellent product for Quality and Energy Efficient
>>> Buildings. Quality Wood will be impossible to fine as a
>>> regular construction material so alternatives must be found if the industry
>>> wants to stay relevant. Watch this sequence of a 2 story EPS Composite
>>> house being constructed, to better understand the process. Mold and Rotting
>>> Structural components will be a distant past allowing structures to last
>>> 100's of year's rather than a few. http://goo.gl/bpmmmJ  -george
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://about.me/StyroHome
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "However, fiberglass and cellulose are not air barriers."
>>>>
>>>> Really? I thought dense pack cellulose was de facto also an air
>>>> barrier.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:25 AM, conservation architect <
>>>> elitalking at rockbridge.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: image]
>>>>> This source from Ergo’s link seems pretty authoritative.  I was
>>>>> disappointed not the see eps on the list.  It does have xps which I expect
>>>>> to be much higher carbon footprint than eps because of the price.  Still
>>>>> looking for this comparison. I am surprised that fiberglass is so high.  I
>>>>> am not surprised that cellulose is so low.  They compared these based on
>>>>> R20 square foot.  This is fair for conduction performance.  However,
>>>>> fiberglass and cellulose are not air barriers.  Therefore, the improved
>>>>> energy performance from this characteristic of the foam products is not
>>>>> recognized in this evaluation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was impressed by fire video of plaster eps room.  The plaster
>>>>> installation surely was the major factor in that result. It was still in
>>>>> place after the fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see the potential for eps plaster panels that could lend itself
>>>>> to reconfiguration and long life.  This is the Lego model.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eli
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  *From:* ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:05 PM
>>>>> *To:* Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Greenbuilding] embodied energy was Polyiso strength
>>>>> on roof
>>>>>
>>>>>  Ok you got me on this one, besides I'm busy trying to save the
>>>>> world, but if you want to waste time nickel and dimming yourselves on the
>>>>> constant changing numbers here they are. http://goo.gl/FMnYUz
>>>>>
>>>>> -enjoy the info, just warning you upfront
>>>>>
>>>>>   http://about.me/StyroHome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:33 AM, JOHN SALMEN <terrain at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Except the density thing and the economic  politics that don't set
>>>>>> recycling requirements for paper in na
>>>>>> Realistically cellulose insul is like 3%? Of insul  sakes. If that
>>>>>> rose it would be more forests
>>>>>>  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>>>>>>    *From: *Alan Abrams
>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 09:35
>>>>>> *To: *listserv Green Building new
>>>>>> *Reply To: *Green Building
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Greenbuilding] embodied energy was Polyiso strength
>>>>>> on roof
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John...assuming your assessment is accurate, and that any batch of
>>>>>> cellulose has had at least one go-round as Krauthammer columns, then
>>>>>> shouldn't the EE value be halved? If so, then it's still high, but more
>>>>>> competitive against EPS.
>>>>>>
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