[Greenbuilding] embodied energy was Polyiso strength on roof
Jason Holstine
jason at amicusgreen.com
Wed Dec 10 18:41:24 CST 2014
Actually, you¹re right. I¹ve always wanted to model my projects after the
advanced technologies in Afghanistan.
On 12/10/14 6:11 PM, "ErgoDesk" <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Admit that you are afraid of becoming irrelevant in the industry because of
> being afraid of better technologies that give you a better product for half
> the price.
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> The Passive House enthusiasts are now using EPS for their Foundation
> Insulation because it's the BEST Choice.
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> http://about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/StyroHome>
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> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn
> <info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>> George when I "get all the pieces fitting together" I'll realize the value of
>> EPS buildings? What do you mean? Like when I become enlightened beyond my
>> current state of ignorance?
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>> Show me the facts. The facts I've seen so far is that EPS has an embodied
>> energy that does not justify the life of the building. Compared to stick and
>> cellulose, or rammed earth, or cob or straw bale. Am I wrong anyone?
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>> George did you mention on this list that you were selling EPS houses?
>> To me that's pretty important.
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>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016> USA
>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
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>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn
>> <info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
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>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016> USA
>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
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>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:29 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> When you get all the pieces fitting together you start to realize that EPS
>>>> is an excellent product for Quality and Energy Efficient Buildings. Quality
>>>> Wood will be impossible to fine as a regular construction material so
>>>> alternatives must be found if the industry wants to stay relevant. Watch
>>>> this sequence of a 2 story EPS Composite house being constructed, to better
>>>> understand the process. Mold and Rotting Structural components will be a
>>>> distant past allowing structures to last 100's of year's rather than a
>>>> few. http://goo.gl/bpmmmJ -george
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>>>> http://about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/StyroHome>
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>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "However, fiberglass and cellulose are not air barriers."
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? I thought dense pack cellulose was de facto also an air barrier.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:25 AM, conservation architect
>>>>> <elitalking at rockbridge.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> This source from Ergo¹s link seems pretty authoritative. I was
>>>>>> disappointed not the see eps on the list. It does have xps which I
>>>>>> expect to be much higher carbon footprint than eps because of the price.
>>>>>> Still looking for this comparison. I am surprised that fiberglass is so
>>>>>> high. I am not surprised that cellulose is so low. They compared these
>>>>>> based on R20 square foot. This is fair for conduction performance.
>>>>>> However, fiberglass and cellulose are not air barriers. Therefore, the
>>>>>> improved energy performance from this characteristic of the foam products
>>>>>> is not recognized in this evaluation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was impressed by fire video of plaster eps room. The plaster
>>>>>> installation surely was the major factor in that result. It was still in
>>>>>> place after the fire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see the potential for eps plaster panels that could lend itself to
>>>>>> reconfiguration and long life. This is the Lego model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eli
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>>>>>> From: ErgoDesk <mailto:ergodesk at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:05 PM
>>>>>> To: Green Building <mailto:greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] embodied energy was Polyiso strength on roof
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok you got me on this one, besides I'm busy trying to save the world, but
>>>>>> if you want to waste time nickel and dimming yourselves on the constant
>>>>>> changing numbers here they are. http://goo.gl/FMnYUz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -enjoy the info, just warning you upfront
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://about.me/StyroHome
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:33 AM, JOHN SALMEN <terrain at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Except the density thing and the economic politics that don't set
>>>>>>> recycling requirements for paper in na
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>>>>>>> Realistically cellulose insul is like 3%? Of insul sakes. If that
>>>>>>> rose it would be more forests
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Alan Abrams
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 09:35
>>>>>>> To: listserv Green Building new
>>>>>>> Reply To: Green Building
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] embodied energy was Polyiso strength on
>>>>>>> roof
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>>>>>>> John...assuming your assessment is accurate, and that any batch of
>>>>>>> cellulose has had at least one go-round as Krauthammer columns, then
>>>>>>> shouldn't the EE value be halved? If so, then it's still high, but more
>>>>>>> competitive against EPS.
>>>>>>>
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