[Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
Reuben Deumling
9watts at gmail.com
Sun Jul 15 18:28:16 CDT 2018
Why are we so grumpy would be my question to you.
I don't think it prudent to infer that we are ignorant of the risks of
radon--we weren't debating that--what some of us were curious about was the
product you identified. About that product I will confess to being ignorant
- but curious.
On Sunday, July 15, 2018, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Education on Radon: https://globalnews.ca/video/4175308/radon-what-you-
> need-to-know-about-this-deadly-gas-that-may-be-in-your-home
>
>
> [image: Styrohome]
>
> *George Hawirko*
> Product Designer | Styrohome
> ,
> Insulated Building
>
> Envelopes
> Phone: 604-477-7897
> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
> Skype: ergodesk
> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
> CANADA
> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:50 PM ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Radon is everywhere and it will kill you and your family, why we are so
>> ignorant is my question to all.
>>
>>
>> [image: Styrohome]
>>
>> *George Hawirko*
>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>> ,
>> Insulated Building
>>
>> Envelopes
>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>> Skype: ergodesk
>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>> CANADA
>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:47 PM Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had the same question, but the link you provided isn't really the
>>> answer I was looking for. Got anything more specific?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:41 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Radon: https://www.google.ca/search?q=radon+shield&num=100&
>>>> newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA777CA777&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=
>>>> 0ahUKEwiC4ZS5laLcAhXZHjQIHUh3C4EQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=596
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Styrohome]
>>>>
>>>> *George Hawirko*
>>>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>>>> ,
>>>> Insulated Building
>>>>
>>>> Envelopes
>>>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>>>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>>>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: ergodesk
>>>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>>>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>>>> CANADA
>>>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>>>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:32 PM Peter Kidd <peterkidd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's a radon SHIELD
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>> *From: *ErgoDesk
>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:27 PM
>>>>> *To: *Green Building
>>>>> *Reply To: *Green Building
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Was a RADON Shield installed under the Slab?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Styrohome]
>>>>>
>>>>> *George Hawirko*
>>>>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>>>>> ,
>>>>> Insulated Building
>>>>>
>>>>> Envelopes
>>>>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>>>>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>>>>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: ergodesk
>>>>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>>>>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>>>>> CANADA
>>>>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>>>>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:05 PM Beatrice Dohrn via Greenbuilding <
>>>>> greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Beatrice Dohrn <beatricedohrn at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:03:49 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
>>>>>> FYI: I am also in the PNW, I built my house from Faswall (like
>>>>>> Durisol, but local). It has a basement, ground floor and bedroom 1 flight
>>>>>> up. THe walls are, I think, R28. THe roof is a sandwich with 9” of Polyiso
>>>>>> in it. So mass and decent insulation given the mild temps here. THe
>>>>>> basement — which is 2/3 in ground and 1/2 exposed to the East — never gets
>>>>>> above 65 or below 58. The ground floor is easy to keep cool in heat waves
>>>>>> by managing day and night window positions. The upstairs disappoints me in
>>>>>> geting too warm and I find it difficult to get air moving without some
>>>>>> mechanical ventilation..... I thought I had designed something that would
>>>>>> work better....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best, BEatrice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 12:10 AM, Paul Hadfield <
>>>>>> paul.hadfield at firelight.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reuben says: "Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Mike says, doesn't thermal mass provide a flywheel of heat through cold periods, as building 2226 <https://www.detail-online.com/article/house-without-heating-office-building-in-austria-16667/> (non-domestic, admittedly) shows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Hadfield.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> 1. Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Reuben Deumling)
>>>>>>> 2. Re: Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Mike O'Brien)
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>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: Greenbuilding <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:43:24 -0700
>>>>>>> Subject: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
>>>>>>> I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned. For
>>>>>>> keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful
>>>>>>> attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for
>>>>>>> keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a
>>>>>>> far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up
>>>>>>> the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of
>>>>>>> holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open
>>>>>>> typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still
>>>>>>> perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident.
>>>>>>> The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of studs
>>>>>>> and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower can
>>>>>>> force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone
>>>>>>> wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer
>>>>>>> evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there hybrid
>>>>>>> wall assemblies I'm not aware for? What am I missing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Planned remedies: learn to make exterior shutters, plant more trees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: "Mike O'Brien" <obrien at hevanet.com>
>>>>>>> To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:40:38 -0700
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
>>>>>>> Hi, Reuben—
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In our house we used lots of insulation, and also thermal mass. The
>>>>>>> house is built on a slab, the southern end has a clay finish floor, it has
>>>>>>> Durasol walls on the south side, and there is a cob wall in the interior.
>>>>>>> We also installed an ecoroof on the south facing side, which helps reduce
>>>>>>> thermal gains on that area. I believe the thermal mass helps dampen the
>>>>>>> temperature swings, especially noticable in extreme weather. The
>>>>>>> west-facing windows are shaded by a big cedar tree and a (sprawling)
>>>>>>> wisteria, and the west-facing roof has solar water panels on it. With your
>>>>>>> same night-flushing strategy, our house remains comfortable, even when the
>>>>>>> outdoors is in the 90s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> (503) 819-8991
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned. For
>>>>>>> keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful
>>>>>>> attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for
>>>>>>> keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a
>>>>>>> far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up
>>>>>>> the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of
>>>>>>> holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open
>>>>>>> typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still
>>>>>>> perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident.
>>>>>>> The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of studs
>>>>>>> and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower can
>>>>>>> force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone
>>>>>>> wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer
>>>>>>> evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there hybrid
>>>>>>> wall assemblies I'm not aware for? What am I missing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Planned remedies: learn to make exterior shutters, plant more trees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
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>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Beatrice Dohrn via Greenbuilding <greenbuilding at lists.
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>>>>>> To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Beatrice Dohrn <beatricedohrn at yahoo.com>
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>>>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:03:49 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
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