[Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
Reuben Deumling
9watts at gmail.com
Mon Jul 16 00:21:41 CDT 2018
You must be great fun at parties!
On Sunday, July 15, 2018, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Shiel is what your parents forgot to use, then you popped out, ah.
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> [image: Styrohome]
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> *George Hawirko*
> Product Designer | Styrohome
> ,
> Insulated Building
>
> Envelopes
> Phone: 604-477-7897
> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
> Skype: ergodesk
> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
> CANADA
> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
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> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 9:27 PM Peter Kidd <peterkidd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Stay focused, really, what's a shield? Radon I know, techniques to
>> manage it I know, but "shield"??
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>> *From: *ErgoDesk
>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:01 PM
>> *To: *Green Building
>> *Reply To: *Green Building
>> *Subject: *Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
>>
>>
>> Stay focused, Radon Shield in New Home Construction, geeezzzzzz.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Styrohome]
>>
>> *George Hawirko*
>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>> ,
>> Insulated Building
>>
>> Envelopes
>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>> Skype: ergodesk
>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>> CANADA
>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:30 PM Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why are we so grumpy would be my question to you.
>>> I don't think it prudent to infer that we are ignorant of the risks of
>>> radon--we weren't debating that--what some of us were curious about was the
>>> product you identified. About that product I will confess to being ignorant
>>> - but curious.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 15, 2018, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Education on Radon: https://globalnews.ca/video/4175308/radon-what-you-
>>>> need-to-know-about-this-deadly-gas-that-may-be-in-your-home
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Styrohome]
>>>>
>>>> *George Hawirko*
>>>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>>>> ,
>>>> Insulated Building
>>>>
>>>> Envelopes
>>>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>>>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>>>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: ergodesk
>>>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>>>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>>>> CANADA
>>>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>>>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:50 PM ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Radon is everywhere and it will kill you and your family, why we are
>>>>> so ignorant is my question to all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Styrohome]
>>>>>
>>>>> *George Hawirko*
>>>>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>>>>> ,
>>>>> Insulated Building
>>>>>
>>>>> Envelopes
>>>>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>>>>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>>>>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: ergodesk
>>>>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>>>>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>>>>> CANADA
>>>>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>>>>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:47 PM Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had the same question, but the link you provided isn't really the
>>>>>> answer I was looking for. Got anything more specific?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:41 PM, ErgoDesk <ergodesk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Radon: https://www.google.ca/search?q=radon+shield&num=100&
>>>>>>> newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA777CA777&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=
>>>>>>> 0ahUKEwiC4ZS5laLcAhXZHjQIHUh3C4EQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=596
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Styrohome]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *George Hawirko*
>>>>>>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> Insulated Building
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Envelopes
>>>>>>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>>>>>>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>>>>>>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Skype: ergodesk
>>>>>>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>>>>>>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>>>>>>> CANADA
>>>>>>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>>>>>>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:32 PM Peter Kidd <peterkidd at shaw.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's a radon SHIELD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>>>> *From: *ErgoDesk
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:27 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *Green Building
>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *Green Building
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort &
>>>>>>>> insulation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was a RADON Shield installed under the Slab?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Styrohome]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *George Hawirko*
>>>>>>>> Product Designer | Styrohome
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>> Insulated Building
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Envelopes
>>>>>>>> Phone: 604-477-7897
>>>>>>>> Site: about.me/StyroHome <http://about.me/styrohome>
>>>>>>>> Email: ergodesk at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Skype: ergodesk
>>>>>>>> Address: #971 12151 224 St.
>>>>>>>> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5
>>>>>>>> CANADA
>>>>>>>> [image: linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/>
>>>>>>>> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/styrohome>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:05 PM Beatrice Dohrn via Greenbuilding <
>>>>>>>> greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Beatrice Dohrn <beatricedohrn at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:03:49 -0700
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort &
>>>>>>>>> insulation
>>>>>>>>> FYI: I am also in the PNW, I built my house from Faswall (like
>>>>>>>>> Durisol, but local). It has a basement, ground floor and bedroom 1 flight
>>>>>>>>> up. THe walls are, I think, R28. THe roof is a sandwich with 9” of Polyiso
>>>>>>>>> in it. So mass and decent insulation given the mild temps here. THe
>>>>>>>>> basement — which is 2/3 in ground and 1/2 exposed to the East — never gets
>>>>>>>>> above 65 or below 58. The ground floor is easy to keep cool in heat waves
>>>>>>>>> by managing day and night window positions. The upstairs disappoints me in
>>>>>>>>> geting too warm and I find it difficult to get air moving without some
>>>>>>>>> mechanical ventilation..... I thought I had designed something that would
>>>>>>>>> work better....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best, BEatrice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 12:10 AM, Paul Hadfield <
>>>>>>>>> paul.hadfield at firelight.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reuben says: "Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As Mike says, doesn't thermal mass provide a flywheel of heat through cold periods, as building 2226 <https://www.detail-online.com/article/house-without-heating-office-building-in-austria-16667/> (non-domestic, admittedly) shows?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul Hadfield.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> 1. Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Reuben Deumling)
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Mike O'Brien)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: Greenbuilding <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:43:24 -0700
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation
>>>>>>>>>> I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>>>>>> For keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful
>>>>>>>>>> attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for
>>>>>>>>>> keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a
>>>>>>>>>> far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up
>>>>>>>>>> the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of
>>>>>>>>>> holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open
>>>>>>>>>> typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still
>>>>>>>>>> perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident.
>>>>>>>>>> The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of
>>>>>>>>>> studs and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower
>>>>>>>>>> can force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or
>>>>>>>>>> stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool
>>>>>>>>>> summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there
>>>>>>>>>> hybrid wall assemblies I'm not aware for? What am I missing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Planned remedies: learn to make exterior shutters, plant more
>>>>>>>>>> trees.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Mike O'Brien" <obrien at hevanet.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:40:38 -0700
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort &
>>>>>>>>>> insulation
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Reuben—
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In our house we used lots of insulation, and also thermal mass.
>>>>>>>>>> The house is built on a slab, the southern end has a clay finish floor, it
>>>>>>>>>> has Durasol walls on the south side, and there is a cob wall in the
>>>>>>>>>> interior. We also installed an ecoroof on the south facing side, which
>>>>>>>>>> helps reduce thermal gains on that area. I believe the thermal mass helps
>>>>>>>>>> dampen the temperature swings, especially noticable in extreme weather. The
>>>>>>>>>> west-facing windows are shaded by a big cedar tree and a (sprawling)
>>>>>>>>>> wisteria, and the west-facing roof has solar water panels on it. With your
>>>>>>>>>> same night-flushing strategy, our house remains comfortable, even when the
>>>>>>>>>> outdoors is in the 90s.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>> (503) 819-8991
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>>>>>> For keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful
>>>>>>>>>> attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for
>>>>>>>>>> keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a
>>>>>>>>>> far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up
>>>>>>>>>> the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of
>>>>>>>>>> holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open
>>>>>>>>>> typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still
>>>>>>>>>> perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident.
>>>>>>>>>> The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of
>>>>>>>>>> studs and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower
>>>>>>>>>> can force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or
>>>>>>>>>> stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool
>>>>>>>>>> summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there
>>>>>>>>>> hybrid wall assemblies I'm not aware for? What am I missing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Planned remedies: learn to make exterior shutters, plant more
>>>>>>>>>> trees.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
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>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:03:49 -0700
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort &
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