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class=847202613-14122010>Mr. Collette,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>The big picture is that all matter of particulate
deemed unhealthy in nature and as manufactured, can not be tolerated
indoors or out. In part such is the principal bias of the "Green
movement". Since the EPA's ban on BOF (basic oxygen furnace) direct
discharge of graphite chips into the open air, and chemical
discharge of unspeakable toxic waste disposed of into lakes, rivers, streams,
and drainage canals, to legislative regulation of nuclear waste
disposal of contaminated radioactive water leakage into
wetlands, drainage swales and the like. The ultimatum has been established.
such that destructive elements can not be tolerated in our
planets environment. Every method and means possible has
been or are being developed to imposed upon these conditions in order to
neutralize or in the very least to minimize their effect.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>This being said, one must understand that in many cases
where emissions such as co2, methane, as well as other like
compounds, volatile chemicals or toxic gasses, are as beneficial to
nature as any non toxic compound or chemical when they are integrated into
the environment as a means of balancing natures outcome. For example a
bi-product of pig feces is methane gas. Once this gas is collected, stored
and properly vented it becomes a beneficial source of energy. This is especially
used in rural areas where it is next to impossible to provide any other means
of energy.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>On the other hand science has discovered that
absorption of non solid toxic waste such as liquids, chemicals and
gasses is one of the best means to dissipate there presence and to dispose
of them with minimal harm to the environment. As we witnessed the tragedy
of the Gulf oil spill this past spring and summer methods to absorb the oil were
one of the methods implemented to dissipate the oil slicks that made its
way to the surface. Ships that skimmed the oil off the surface and burned
it into a relative harmless vapor was also were employed to dispose of the
surface oil.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>Some are of the opinion that there are natural agents
that have the ability to delude the oil both on the surface and below
it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>In our homes the amount of co2, methane, carbon
dioxide, formaldehyde and the like emanate from our selves, the walls that
enclose us, and the floors that keep the cold earth from transferring the
natural state of temperature change through our feet. Most of these toxins
originate form surface treatment of the materials that the walls and floors
are built of and it is well known that 85% of all toxics enter a
dwelling through our feet. I suppose the remaining 15% we exhale. So
what do we do to 1. Maintain equilibrium between contaminates
escalating to harmful effects inside and 2. How do
we prevent contaminates form leaking back outside of our dwellings
causing harm of another sort to the environment beyond.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>I suppose that measurements of these elements related
to how much is actually toxic to human beings and nature as well will
necessarily weigh in as the means to deliver any resolution for this
dilemma. NIST, BEES 4.0 for example might prove a useful reference of such
computations. The DOE and EPA since they were begun as a means to dispense
with such matters in the beginning. And of course ASHRAE should be counted on
for some guidance in this matter. Regardless of measurements of quantities
of these noxious chemicals, compounds and or gasses there are data loggers
that can measure specific particulate matter in space. There are
electrostatic precipitators that can be attached to your air distribution device
and with the exception of gases can collect noxious elements form the
air, be cleaned with a hose into a trough and the residual mixed into a compost
bin and neutralized by nature.(including dog hair) </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>Someone should write a book on the subject if one
hasn't already been written. Non-the-less a word to the wise..., Nothing is
perfect!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=847202613-14122010></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>Douglas E
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[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Stephen Collette<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 13, 2010 9:51
PM<BR><B>To:</B> greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Greenbuilding] Stale Air<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Interesting. So as a culture, we define stale air and instead of
building tolerance to the whole thing, we build an industry to mask it. I
suppose in the old days all those powdered wigs and such were the same sort of
approach to the odour of the body (as an odour goes) by the powder industry.
hmm. What's fascinating though is that we have less issues of body odour, more
of chemical odours in our homes, and except for the occasional gym bag left
unattended, odours are less and less of an issue within homes, that typically
have little actual cooking done in them (clients here, folks, I know we are all
die hards here on this list, growing, cooking and preserving food), but as the
houses get bigger and the populations in them get smaller, we are ventilating
more than ever to resolve this "stale air" which had we not hermetically sealed
ourselves into our homes and actually opened windows and aired the place out,
may not in fact be as important with respect to the unmeasurable level of
staleness.
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<DIV>Fascinating.</DIV>
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<DIV>Stephen</DIV>
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<DIV>On 2010-12-13, at 9:58 AM, <A
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class=Apple-style-span>From: jfstraube <<A
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standards have historically been set based on early research around odour: it
is human smells that set the ventilation rates. Depending on culture and time,
these rates have, under ASHRAE's guidelines, varied from about 3 cfm to 30 cfm
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