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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There was a pretty serious social framework
(pun intended) for that activity and a lot of rules and complexity (think potlatch
for complexity of a social economic structure that is beyond figuring out).
There have also been similar (non-building) related cooperative efforts in
communities – mostly immigrant communities to NA. Compensation
takes many forms and much of what we still do in a community is not directly related
to payment. Nobody pays me to drive safely or give up my seat on a bus.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As 2<sup>nd</sup> generation in my early
fifties I’ve had the pleasure of being able to talk to the generation
that settled farms in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region>
– though we are now 4 generations from that time. I’ve also been
able to talk to people that participated in the first garment industry strike
in NYC and the subsequent development of labour laws and unions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the Canadian prairies for example the communities
that formed around farming were pretty impoverished by today’s standards
and a ‘single family unit’ had little chance to survive. The only
time for building was in the winter after the fields were put to rest and it
was a limited timeframe and more than one person or family could accomplish
(though many did try). The communities were primarily European with village
origins and well used to working within a community framework. Farms needed
markets for livestock and grain which required everyone to have the capability
to produce to create enough resource to elicit a market for transportation and
supply. Given the limited timeframe for building it required planning and community
effort that everyone profited from. This extended to the construction of
community stock pens, graineries, etc. as well as co-operative financing. For <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region> this was
the birth of the co-operative movement which continues in the form of financial
banking, gasoline and even grocery stores. As communities became marginally wealthier
barn raising evolved into co-operative financing (as farm communities still did
not have the wealth to attract other forms of financing) and people hired each
other and paid fairly. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have volunteered time for many things
and have donated a lot of design and physical work time to social housing
projects. There are always needs in a community for which there is inadequate
funding. An example from me is creating a house (group home) working with a
parent group of children with special needs. That was a form of barn
raising.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think what worries me is the types of
sentiment that can be used to exploit. Even the concept of ‘home’
or ‘green home’ can sentimentally inspire people to create a
building that has no relationship to their needs just to fill some empty hole. As
I mentioned before we occupy a house on average for 11 hours (8.5 of which are
spent sleeping). Our homes are equally (and predominantly for our conscious
time) the workplaces and schools we occupy, the transportation we use. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Individual homes are not an ‘old’
or ‘timeless’ concept – even in western culture it is
relatively new. It wasn’t that long ago that people of European origin we
were all sleeping in some big room together (and most other cultures). Isolating
a few people in a green building and then inviting each other over to paint the
place is not community building in my mind though it can be a nice shared
activity – I would prefer making dinner. Spending time together working
on social co-operative or cohousing solutions gets a little better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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many issues<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN<o:p></o:p></span></font></u></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>natural building<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jan</st1:PersonName>uary
23, 2011 11:55 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Green</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Building</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding]
Solutions (to the ecological problem)</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 23-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jan</st1:PersonName>-11, at 11:40 AM,
JOHN SALMEN wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>Similarly if I hire or train
people for a building project that labour is part of the cost of that project
and if the project cannot afford it then that project has no value in the
community.</span></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>John, what are your thoughts on the very old and very
community-oriented practice of barn-raising, where every able-bodied member of
the community helped out without expectation of any compensation other that
refreshments and, perhaps, reciprocal help when it came time to build their own
barn?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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