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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Actually borax works in the solution but
it gets a bit complex – it is usually an ingredient in a ‘pure
laundry detergent’. The detergent is added as a generic surfactant which
helps the ingredients mix and keeps them in suspension. Typically anything that
is classified as a pure laundry detergent will work. The thing with paint is
that it is like bread – you can buy it from the store or you can make it.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The problem we have had is that once you
make your own paint and have that on your walls it is hard to simply go to the
store and buy paint. I am only saying that as we are having to repaint some
rooms and I am loathing the work involved in making and brushing on the paint
and I kind of wish I could simply accept the looks, smell and toxicity of
regular paint.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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w:st="on">DUNCAN</st1:place></st1:City>, B.C. <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">CANADA</st1:place></st1:country-region>, V9L 6M7<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
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greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Sam Ewbank<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jan</st1:PersonName>uary
31, 2011 7:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Green</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Building</st1:PlaceType></st1:PersonName></st1:place><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding]
Natura Paint - Any thoughts</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks John <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think I have just the wall to try out your recipe on. I am sure at
least one of the dogs will also sample mixture at some point also. Will let you
know how it turns out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As for the detergent component, I am picturing a generic laundry
detergent without any of those colorful "overachieving resource
depleting" particles but also not using Borax either. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks again for your time<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jan</st1:PersonName> 31, 2011 at 9:58
PM, JOHN SALMEN <<a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca">terrain@shaw.ca</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>That is too bad – I’ve looked through quite a few msds
sheets on primers and the synko was the only one I found. Have used it to
minimize top coats of earthen mixes but here is a basic home recipe that can
work on bare drywall for a simple milk paint that works with better coverage
than most commercial milk paint recipes. I first developed it when my son
wanted to help paint (at about 2) so I wanted something that was friendly and
that my dog could eat. He is now 15 and the basic paint (or a variant) has been
used in numerous homes since by demand (I’m not in the paint business and
it has been a pain). It has to be applied by brush and has a relatively coarse
texture very similar to earthen clay finishes. I have a more sophisticated
recipe at this point that uses casein but this amounts to the same thing with
ingredients that are readily available.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Skim milk
powder -12 cups</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>calcium carbonate (basic chalk) -6 cups</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>lime
-6 cups</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>kaolin
(clay)
-5 cups</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>detergent (dry – non additive laundry
type) -1 cup</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>colourant (<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">davis</st1:place></st1:City>
concrete pigments or stucco pigment – try not to exceed ¼ cup)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>7 cups water.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Mix the ingredients dry as accurately as possible and mix well
(important) and then add about ¾ of the liquid mixing with a paint mixer on a
drill or even a hand blender. Will be quite thick but you then have to let it
sit (hour or so) for the clay to slake a little (absorb liquid) and then mix
some more and add the remaining liquid (add more liquid if needed). It needs to
be a relatively thick mix (pea soup- gelatinous type of thing) to brush
effectively. The liquid mix can be kept for a few days (refrigerated) if it
smells sour discard. This is time consuming to paint as the brushing needs to
be done in a very ‘craftspersonlike’ manner to get good results.
Use a cheap bristle (stain) brush.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Can get the basic clay from potters supply. Lime and calcium
carbonate from agricultural supply. Large bags but inexpensive – works
out to a few dollars per gallon. Can substitute sodium silicate (waterglass)
for a portion of the water if you can get that and it creates a slightly harder
water resistant finish. Paint can be temperamental i.e. if the wall temperature
is too high (around light bulbs and heaters) the reaction can result in
flaking. Other than that it results in a very hard finish. Will water spot if
sprayed but generally can be wiped for most marks)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><u><font size=3 color=green face="Gill Sans MT"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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w:st="on">CANADA</st1:place></st1:country-region>, V9L 6M7</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target="_blank">greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Sam Ewbank<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jan</st1:PersonName>uary
31, 2011 5:50 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Green</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Building</st1:PlaceType></st1:PersonName></st1:place><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding]
Natura Paint - Any thoughts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>John<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>To bad you can't
get Synko T.I.P.S. in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
The closest USG has is their "First Coat" primer. With
ethylene glycol, petroleum distillates and voc <95g/l. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I had not heard of
using cement pigments before. Are you using iron oxide? Do you mix the
color yourself? Are certain paints better to use such as milk paint?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
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w:st="on">Jan</st1:PersonName> 30, 2011 at 4:29 PM, JOHN SALMEN <<a
href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca" target="_blank">terrain@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don't know - I
don't really have experience using them. Have tended to use<br>
milk/clay or mineral finishes. One paint I do specify as a base primer over<br>
drywall is more of a plaster that has incredible coverage that is Synko<br>
T.I.P.S. Ingredients are water titanium dioxide/vinyl acrylic<br>
copolymer/limestone/kaolin(clay)/diatomaceious earth/crystalline silic. It<br>
is classed as low voc (>25g/l). Only available in 5 gallon containers for<br>
about 90 (can also be tinted - I use cement pigments)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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JOHN SALMEN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">4465 UPHILL RD</st1:address></st1:Street>,.
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">DUNCAN</st1:place></st1:City>, B.C.
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">CANADA</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
V9L 6M7<br>
PH 250 748 7672 FAX 250 748 7612 CELL 250 246 8541<br>
<a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca" target="_blank">terrain@shaw.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Behalf Of Lynelle<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hamilton</st1:place></st1:City><br>
Sent: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jan</st1:PersonName>uary 30, 2011 1:10 PM<br>
To: <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Green</st1:PlaceName>
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Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Natura Paint - Any thoughts<br>
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Thanks, John! What paint (Non-voc) give the best coverage/durability?<br>
Any thoughts?<br>
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Lynelle<br>
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On 30/01/2011 4:04 PM, JOHN SALMEN wrote:<br>
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> The home hardware 'natura' is made for them by a Canadian plant called<br>
> 'beauti-tone' and is listed as a non voc. As to whether individual<br>
> stores use a non-voc colourant for mixing you would have to enquire.<br>
> Home depot has a paint made called 'freshaire which supposedly uses<br>
> non-voc tints (you would need to ensure the store is actually using<br>
> those).<br>
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> _JOHN SALMEN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN_<br>
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> /<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">4465 UPHILL RD</st1:address></st1:Street>//,.
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w:st="on">CANADA</st1:place></st1:country-region>, V9L 6M7/<br>
><br>
> /PH 250 748 7672 FAX 250 748 7612 CELL 250 246 8541/<br>
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> /<a href="http://terrain@shaw.ca/" target="_blank">terrain@shaw.ca///</a><br>
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