Thanks John <div>I think I have just the wall to try out your recipe on. I am sure at least one of the dogs will also sample mixture at some point also. Will let you know how it turns out.</div><div>As for the detergent component, I am picturing a generic laundry detergent without any of those colorful "overachieving resource depleting" particles but also not using Borax either. </div>
<div>Is this correct?</div><div>Thanks again for your time</div><div><br></div><div>Sam</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:58 PM, JOHN SALMEN <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca">terrain@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">That is too bad – I’ve looked
through quite a few msds sheets on primers and the synko was the only one I
found. Have used it to minimize top coats of earthen mixes but here is a basic
home recipe that can work on bare drywall for a simple milk paint that works
with better coverage than most commercial milk paint recipes. I first developed
it when my son wanted to help paint (at about 2) so I wanted something that was
friendly and that my dog could eat. He is now 15 and the basic paint (or a
variant) has been used in numerous homes since by demand (I’m not in the
paint business and it has been a pain). It has to be applied by brush and has a
relatively coarse texture very similar to earthen clay finishes. I have a more
sophisticated recipe at this point that uses casein but this amounts to the
same thing with ingredients that are readily available.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Skim milk powder -12 cups</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">calcium carbonate (basic chalk) -6 cups</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">lime -6 cups</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">kaolin (clay) -5 cups</span></font></p>
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laundry type) -1 cup</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">colourant (davis concrete pigments or stucco pigment –
try not to exceed ¼ cup)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">7 cups water.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mix the ingredients dry as accurately as
possible and mix well (important) and then add about ¾ of the liquid mixing
with a paint mixer on a drill or even a hand blender. Will be quite thick but
you then have to let it sit (hour or so) for the clay to slake a little (absorb
liquid) and then mix some more and add the remaining liquid (add more liquid if
needed). It needs to be a relatively thick mix (pea soup- gelatinous type of
thing) to brush effectively. The liquid mix can be kept for a few days (refrigerated)
if it smells sour discard. This is time consuming to paint as the brushing
needs to be done in a very ‘craftspersonlike’ manner to get good
results. Use a cheap bristle (stain) brush.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Can get the basic clay from potters
supply. Lime and calcium carbonate from agricultural supply. Large bags but
inexpensive – works out to a few dollars per gallon. Can substitute
sodium silicate (waterglass) for a portion of the water if you can get that and
it creates a slightly harder water resistant finish. Paint can be temperamental
i.e. if the wall temperature is too high (around light bulbs and heaters) the
reaction can result in flaking. Other than that it results in a very hard
finish. Will water spot if sprayed but generally can be wiped for most marks)</span></font></p><div class="im">
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Sam Ewbank<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Green Building<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding]
Natura Paint - Any thoughts</div></div></font><span lang="EN-US"></span><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">To bad you can't get Synko T.I.P.S. in the USA. The closest USG has is
their "First Coat" primer. With ethylene glycol, petroleum
distillates and voc <95g/l. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I had not heard of using cement pigments before. Are you using
iron oxide? Do you mix the color yourself? Are certain paints better to use
such as milk paint?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:29
PM, JOHN SALMEN <<a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca" target="_blank">terrain@shaw.ca</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I don't know - I don't really have experience using them. Have tended
to use<br>
milk/clay or mineral finishes. One paint I do specify as a base primer over<br>
drywall is more of a plaster that has incredible coverage that is Synko<br>
T.I.P.S. Ingredients are water titanium dioxide/vinyl acrylic<br>
copolymer/limestone/kaolin(clay)/diatomaceious earth/crystalline silic. It<br>
is classed as low voc (>25g/l). Only available in 5 gallon containers for<br>
about 90 (can also be tinted - I use cement pigments)</span></font></p>
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4465 UPHILL RD,.
DUNCAN, B.C.
CANADA,
V9L 6M7<br>
PH 250 748 7672 FAX 250 748 7612 CELL 250 246 8541<br>
<a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca" target="_blank">terrain@shaw.ca</a></span></font></p>
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Of Lynelle<br>
Hamilton<br>
Sent: January 30, 2011 1:10 PM<br>
To: Green
Building<br>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Natura Paint - Any thoughts<br>
<br>
Thanks, John! What paint (Non-voc) give the best coverage/durability?<br>
Any thoughts?<br>
<br>
Lynelle<br>
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On 30/01/2011 4:04 PM, JOHN SALMEN wrote:<br>
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> The home hardware 'natura' is made for them by a Canadian plant called<br>
> 'beauti-tone' and is listed as a non voc. As to whether individual<br>
> stores use a non-voc colourant for mixing you would have to enquire.<br>
> Home depot has a paint made called 'freshaire which supposedly uses<br>
> non-voc tints (you would need to ensure the store is actually using<br>
> those).<br>
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> _JOHN SALMEN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN_<br>
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