<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Eli, this begs the question: if you are already replacing the water heater, why not get an on-demand electric tankless system that supplies water to the bathroom only when you want it? More compact than any tank so you can put it somewhere convenient and it would eliminate virtually all the unavoidable standby losses associated with a tank?<div><br></div><div>Regards,<br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; 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"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Papyrus; color: rgb(255, 160, 18); "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Papyrus; color: rgb(99, 10, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">Steve Satow</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Papyrus; color: rgb(99, 10, 255); "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Papyrus; color: rgb(99, 10, 255); "><a href="http://www.naturalbuildingsite.net">www.naturalbuildingsite.net</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Papyrus; color: rgb(99, 10, 255); "><a href="mailto:naturalbuilding@shaw.ca">naturalbuilding@shaw.ca</a></div></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br><div><div>On 2-Feb-11, at 7:41 AM, elitalking wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Optima; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" bgcolor="#ffffff" vlink="purple"><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; ">I am replacing a water heater that is in a location that is inaccessible for servicing.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We have been in the practice of turning the heater on when we are getting ready for a bath to avoid the standby heat losses<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; ">(Energy $$) from continually heating the water.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; ">I want to know the maximum temp that typical storage electric water heater can safely accommodate.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Since we are not storing the heat, the higher temperature is not an energy penalty.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The higher temp allows for a smaller tank.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We are separating the kitchen use from the bathroom.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Tank will located next to the bathtub.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We will have an on off switch at the tank.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; ">Does anybody know of a heat sensor and or sound indicator when the water reaches a set temperature? Currently we allow more time than is necessary because we want to avoid being too cool.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>It sure would be nice to know what is going on.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="line-height: 24px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16pt; ">We could use a 20 gal tank for 20 gal bath and set at temp for bath.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>However, we use a cistern.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>During dry spells (most of the time) we mix creek water in bath to reduce water usage off of cistern.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Results of my spread sheet below show that 20gal bath can be supplied with 10gal HW tank at 185F.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Can a normal temperature relief valve store that kind of pressure-temperature?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>