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I have had good results with Eemax. I installed a 95XT (9.5kw) where it is used for showers with incoming ice cherry cold town water,<div>and it works fine. In another location, I tried a 65XT (6.5kw), and it is a tad light. "T" models are temperature selective. <div>What you want to look for is the lowest actuating flow, like 1/2 gpm.<br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div>Clarke Olsen</div><div>373 route 203</div><div>Spencertown, NY 12165 </div><div>USA</div><div>518-392-4640</div><div><a href="mailto:colsen@fairpoint.net">colsen@fairpoint.net</a></div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span> </div><br><div><div>On Feb 2, 2011, at 12:59 PM, elitalking wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Can you recommend a brand of electric tankless heater. I am looking to be able to get 120F. I could probably make due with less. This would not allow me to mix cold creek water during draught conditions. Therefore, I would need to use only cistern water. The ambient water temp is 55F. To get to 120, I need a rise of 65F. I suppose I could slow the flow rate to get a higher temperature. The normal flow rate is likely around 3 gpm. </font></div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks for your input. </font></div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Eli </font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="naturalbuilding@shaw.ca" href="mailto:naturalbuilding@shaw.ca">natural building</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">Green Building</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:04 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Max Temp Storage Water Heaters+TemperatureSensors</div> <div><br></div>Eli, this begs the question: if you are already replacing the water heater, why not get an on-demand electric tankless system that supplies water to the bathroom only when you want it? More compact than any tank so you can put it somewhere convenient and it would eliminate virtually all the unavoidable standby losses associated with a tank? <div><br></div> <div>Regards,<br> <div apple-content-edited="true"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0" class="Apple-style-span"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Papyrus; COLOR: rgb(255,160,18)"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Papyrus; COLOR: rgb(99,10,255)"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px" class="Apple-style-span">Steve Satow</span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Papyrus; COLOR: rgb(99,10,255)"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Papyrus; COLOR: rgb(99,10,255)"><a href="http://www.naturalbuildingsite.net">www.naturalbuildingsite.net</a></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Papyrus; COLOR: rgb(99,10,255)"><a href="mailto:naturalbuilding@shaw.ca">naturalbuilding@shaw.ca</a></div></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div><br> <div> <div>On 2-Feb-11, at 7:41 AM, elitalking wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Optima; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"> <div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" bgcolor="#ffffff" link="blue"> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt">I am replacing a water heater that is in a location that is inaccessible for servicing.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We have been in the practice of turning the heater on when we are getting ready for a bath to avoid the standby heat losses<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt">(Energy $$) from continually heating the water.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt">I want to know the maximum temp that typical storage electric water heater can safely accommodate.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Since we are not storing the heat, the higher temperature is not an energy penalty.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The higher temp allows for a smaller tank.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We are separating the kitchen use from the bathroom.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Tank will located next to the bathtub.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We will have an on off switch at the tank.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt">Does anybody know of a heat sensor and or sound indicator when the water reaches a set temperature? Currently we allow more time than is necessary because we want to avoid being too cool.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>It sure would be nice to know what is going on.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 16pt">We could use a 20 gal tank for 20 gal bath and set at temp for bath.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>However, we use a cistern.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>During dry spells (most of the time) we mix creek water in bath to reduce water usage off of cistern.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Results of my spread sheet below show that 20gal bath can be supplied with 10gal HW tank at 185F.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Can a normal temperature relief valve store that kind of pressure-temperature?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div> <br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Greenbuilding mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>