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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When researching what wood to use to build long-lasting raised garden beds, I have discovered that the “professional” raised garden beds producers use cedar. I checked with my local hardware/lumber store, and they said that it would last way longer than redwood - probably at least 40 years – and that is with direct contact with soil, water, etc. AND - it is way cheaper too! I don’t know if it would have the strength to handle the requirements of Gennaro’s wall, but it might be worth looking into. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think the idea of rubber patches between wood is excellent. When my deck was built, they covered all the stringers with bituthane (sp?) so that wood would not be rubbing against wood, (no squeaking!) and also water from above would not damage the sub-structure. One of the more intelligent things that were done……………………<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kathy Cochran<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>PO Box 117<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>San Andreas, California 95249<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(209) 754-4201<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kathys_old_house@goldrush.com<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Clarke Olsen<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] alive and wall<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>RT is right: build with white oak, locust, or larch (tamarack), and <br>it will last, if not the absolute 50 years, certainly until someone<br>tears it down. When fastening wood together in outdoor construction, <br>insert a dry break between wood to wood contact.<br>Something on the order of a rubber patch (old inner-tube) where <br>pieces overlap will reduce the speed of decomposition.<br>Encouraging plants to grab onto masonry can be asking for trouble... <br>a root cause of decay.<br>Clarke Olsen<br>373 route 203<br>Spencertown, NY 12165<br>USA<br>518-392-4640<br>colsen@fairpoint.net<br><br><br>> On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:52:41 -0500, Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>> <info@ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:<br>><br>>> I'm building a 35*20 foot exterior living wall that needs to hold <br>>> most of<br>>> its weight and is attached to a brick brownstone facade. I am <br>>> looking for<br>>> long lasting (50 plus?) materials to form the structure.<br>><br>> ..........................<br>><br>> It appears that Gennaro is simply wanting to hang a trellis for some<br>> greenery to climb on ?<br>><br>> But if a construction of some sort is absolutely necessary, it <br>> seems bizarre that an aspiring "Green" builder would opt for high <br>> embodied-energy aluminum or stainless steel framing components or <br>> cable. It seems akin to trying to shave with a tub grinder.<br>> ............................<br>> For a "serious" trellis, White oak lumber (which I know is so <br>> plentiful in the NE states that people hack up good sized trees and <br>> burn it for firewood ) would be a good choice I would think. I have <br>> no doubt that it would easily last for the 50 year time frame <br>> Gennaro specifies.<br>><br>> --<br>> === * ===<br>> Rob Tom<br>> Kanata, Ontario, Canada<br>> < A r c h i L o g i c at Y a h o o dot c a ><br>> manually winnow the chaff from my edress if you hit "reply"<br>> __________________________________________________<br>> Do You Yahoo!?<br>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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