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<div>But it doesn't seem all that easy to find Western red cedar in
the northeast that can be assured to not be from old growth. Eastern
white cedar is plentiful but likely not as long-lasting. On the other
hand, I do know a source of salvaged Atlantic whitecedar. Given the
dimensions suggested, this would be easy to use. But AWC is less
structural (IMHO) than other cedars (actually, AWC isn't a cedar, per
se, but a cypress).</div>
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<div>Termites could still be an issue, though.</div>
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<div>tim keating</div>
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<div>At 10:08 PM -0800 2/5/11, Kathy Cochran wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>When researching what wood to use to
build long-lasting raised garden beds, I have discovered that the
"professional" raised garden beds producers use cedar. I
checked with my local hardware/lumber store, and they said that it
would last way longer than redwood - probably at least 40
years - and that is with direct contact with soil, water, etc. AND
- it is way cheaper too! I don't know if it would have the
strength to handle the requirements of Gennaro's wall, but it might
be worth looking into.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I think the idea of rubber patches
between wood is excellent. When my deck was built, they
covered all the stringers with bituthane (sp?) so that wood would not
be rubbing against wood, (no squeaking!) and also water from above
would not damage the sub-structure. One of the more intelligent
things that were done</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><b>From:</b>
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[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]<b> On Behalf
Of</b> Clarke Olsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Green Building<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] alive and wall</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>RT is right: build with white oak,
locust, or larch (tamarack), and <br>
it will last, if not the absolute 50 years, certainly until
someone<br>
tears it down. When fastening wood together in outdoor
construction, <br>
insert a dry break between wood to wood contact.<br>
Something on the order of a rubber patch (old inner-tube)
where <br>
pieces overlap will reduce the speed of decomposition.<br>
Encouraging plants to grab onto masonry can be asking for
trouble... <br>
a root cause of decay.<br>
Clarke Olsen<br>
373 route 203<br>
Spencertown, NY 12165<br>
USA<br>
518-392-4640<br>
colsen@fairpoint.net<br>
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> On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:52:41 -0500, Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
> <info@ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I'm building a 35*20 foot exterior living wall that needs to
hold <br>
>> most of<br>
>> its weight and is attached to a brick brownstone facade. I
am <br>
>> looking for<br>
>> long lasting (50 plus?) materials to form the structure.<br>
><br>
> ..........................<br>
><br>
> It appears that Gennaro is simply wanting to hang a trellis for
some<br>
> greenery to climb on ?<br>
><br>
> But if a construction of some sort is absolutely necessary,
it <br>
> seems bizarre that an aspiring "Green" builder would
opt for high <br>
> embodied-energy aluminum or stainless steel framing components
or <br>
> cable. It seems akin to trying to shave with a tub grinder.<br>
> ............................<br>
> For a "serious" trellis, White oak lumber (which I know
is so <br>
> plentiful in the NE states that people hack up good sized trees
and <br>
> burn it for firewood ) would be a good choice I would think. I
have <br>
> no doubt that it would easily last for the 50 year time
frame <br>
> Gennaro specifies.<br>
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