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<DIV><FONT size=4 face="Goudy Old Style">Notice my winks when addressing
Gennaro's post regarding space colonization Eli. I meant no disrespect, and I
wager he knows it. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=elitalking@rockbridge.net
href="mailto:elitalking@rockbridge.net">elitalking</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">Green Building</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Greenbuilding] Colonization of
other planets</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I
would like us to show respect, even if we do not agree. I can see why
Gennaro might think the progression of technology when projected from the past
could lead to the possibility of space travel and colonization of other
planets.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">However,
much of the technological progress has been sponsored by the <BR>expansion of
consumption of finite resources. This trend will not continue.
If space trevel happens, it will be at the huge expense of our own
lovely planet and its occupants. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Another
more down to Earth example of projecting continual growth is the proposed
expansion of I-81 in the Western Virginia for 4 lanes to 8 lanes parallel with
Blue Ridge. Never mind that in these mountain valleys we are prone to
temperature inversions that trap the pollution. The proponents point to
the graph of the growth in truck use as proof that it is needed.
However, we are near or at peak oil. Availability of oil will soon be
declining. The resources to sponsor the continued growth are not there,
even though this has been the historical trend. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">We
are lobbying for the state and feds to invest in a sustainable transportation
infrastructure of railroads to carry the trucks that could potentially be run
on offshore wind generators or other renewable energy. </SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><A
href="http://www.steelinterstate.org/">http://www.steelinterstate.org/</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">As
I recall Gennaro said he believed it was possible, not that it was a good
idea. And people were very dismissive and disrespectful to the idea that
humans could travel to the moon. That event was 40 years ago.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">History
will characterize the 20<SUP>th</SUP> century as a time of expansion and
depletion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Eli
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: "Gennaro Brooks-Church" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:info@ecobrooklyn.com"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>info@ecobrooklyn.com</FONT></A><FONT size=2 face=Arial>><BR>To:
"Green Building" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</FONT></A><FONT size=2
face=Arial>><BR>Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:52 AM<BR>Subject: Re:
[Greenbuilding] Martha Stewart<BR><BR><BR>> Ron,<BR>> This conversation
is moot since we are trying to predict the future.<BR>> So it's anyone's
opinion.<BR>> I really don't care if the human race lives in space. But to
say it<BR>> isn't going to happen in my opinion puts you in the long line
of<BR>> people who said planes wouldn't fly, CD's wouldn't work,
and<BR>> telephones wouldn't last.<BR>> You comment reminds me of when
the steam engine was first used in a<BR>> train. There were doctors who
seriously worried that the human body<BR>> would rattle apart at such high
speeds. We just weren't built for<BR>> those speeds.<BR>><BR>> My
main point here is that the human race and life in general is WAY<BR>> to
complex for us to simply dismiss a possibility as cooky. And the<BR>> fact
that we regularly go into space, that the human culture openly<BR>> accepts
space travel as normal, and that people are investing<BR>> trillions into
it makes me think it is going to happen. But go ahead,<BR>> call us kooky.
You won't be the first to call me that. My success in<BR>> life is actually
very much founded on doing what others think is kooky<BR>> until the rest
of the world realizes it's not that kooky after all. By<BR>> that time I'm
the ticket seller both financially and authoritatively.<BR>> Since I'm
driven by idealism it is always a nice feeling at the end of<BR>> the
day.<BR>><BR>> Gennaro Brooks-Church<BR>><BR>> Cell: 1 347 244
3016 USA<BR>> </FONT><A href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>www.EcoBrooklyn.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=2 face=Arial>> 22
2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Fri, Feb
11, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Ron Cascio <</FONT><A
href="mailto:roncascio@verizon.net"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>roncascio@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT size=2 face=Arial>>
wrote:<BR>>> So you put living walls, green roofs, salvaging bricks, and
moving humans<BR>>> (who have evolved to the certain specs of this
specific planet) <BR>>> permanently<BR>>> to other planets in the
same box?<BR>>><BR>>> Pardon me Gennaro, but that's just kooky.
;-)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Gennaro Brooks-Church"<BR>>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:info@ecobrooklyn.com"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>info@ecobrooklyn.com</FONT></A><FONT size=2
face=Arial>><BR>>> To: "Green Building" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</FONT></A><FONT size=2
face=Arial>><BR>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:44
PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Martha
Stewart<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I've had living walls and space
travel labeled a joke this week on<BR>>> this list. I remember being
told green roofs were a joke. I got called<BR>>> an idiot just three
years ago for salvaging bricks from a dumpster.<BR>>> Laugh
on.<BR>>><BR>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church<BR>>><BR>>>
Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA<BR>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>www.EcoBrooklyn.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=2 face=Arial>>>
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY
11231<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On Thu, Feb
10, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Racheli Gai<BR>>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:racheli@sonoracohousing.com"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>racheli@sonoracohousing.com</FONT></A><FONT size=2 face=Arial>>
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> It's a joke, but a sinister one. It
keeps many people's gaze on places <BR>>>> far<BR>>>> away,
rather than caring<BR>>>> for the ground under their feet. It also
means that lots of money is <BR>>>> spent<BR>>>> chasing BS
dreams, while<BR>>>> we have homeless people; untold numbers with not
enough to eat, etc. <BR>>>> etc.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Racheli.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> On Feb 10, 2011, at
5:48 PM, Ron Cascio wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Any kind of
escape to another planet is simply a joke. Nothing more.<BR>>>>>
Let's<BR>>>>> move on to something
accomplishable.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Ron<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> ----- Original
Message ----- From: "Corwyn" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:corwyn@midcoast.com"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>corwyn@midcoast.com</FONT></A><FONT size=2
face=Arial>><BR>>>>> To: "Green Building" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</FONT></A><FONT size=2
face=Arial>><BR>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:25
PM<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Martha
Stewart<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> On
2/10/2011 1:47 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church
wrote:<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Corwyn my
opinion is that we are not at the point where we
can<BR>>>>>>> calculate numbers or make any conclusion about
whether we can or can<BR>>>>>>> not colonize other planets.
The technology is not there. But if the<BR>>>>>>> last
century is any indication we could be at a very
different<BR>>>>>>> technological point in another 100 years
(whether we are space<BR>>>>>>> travelling or living in
caves is another
question).<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Also, I
never said anything about saving the people on earth. I
<BR>>>>>>> simply<BR>>>>>>> said the
survival of the human race.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Perhaps I just think that the idea of murdering 6 Billion people so
<BR>>>>>> that<BR>>>>>> a few elitist humans can
escape their self-made Armageddon to go live <BR>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>> a hell-hole of another planet, isn't worth hoping
for.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Any technology
insufficient to help this planet, won't allow anyone
to<BR>>>>>> live on another
one.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Thank You Kindly,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Corwyn<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
--<BR>>>>>> Topher Belknap<BR>>>>>> Green Fret
Consulting<BR>>>>>> Kermit didn't know the half of
it...<BR>>>>>> </FONT><A href="http://www.greenfret.com/"><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>http://www.greenfret.com/</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=2
face=Arial>>>>>> </FONT><A
href="mailto:topher@greenfret.com"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>topher@greenfret.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=2
face=Arial>>>>>> (207)
882-7652<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
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