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<div>Exactly.</div>
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<div>When folks refer to the planet as "the earth", all I
can think is how far we've gone down the wrong road.</div>
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<div>tim</div>
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<div>At 9:50 AM -0500 2/19/11, David Bergman wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>As instilled by my editor recently:<br>
earth = soil<br>
Earth = name of a planet<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
At 08:23 AM 2/19/2011, Gennaro Brooks-Church wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Probably because earth is familiar and
mars is a stranger<br>
<br>
Gennaro<br>
347 244 3016<br>
On Feb 19, 2011 1:29 AM, "Tim Vireo Keating" <<a
href="mailto:t.keating@rainforestrelief.org">
t.keating@rainforestrelief.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> In this post, Gennaro, you refer to "earth" and
"Mars". Curious.<br>
><br>
> tim<br>
><br>
>>This talk of space travel and green building makes me think of
a book<br>
>>I just finished by Alan Weisman called Gaviotas. It is about
a<br>
>>community in the barren and war torn area of Columbia called
Los<br>
>>Llanos. Started in the sixties and alive today this community
turned<br>
>>parched soil that only held a couple kinds of rough grasses
into a<br>
>>lush jungle forest. They used alternative planting techniques
and huge<br>
>>amounts of creativity. Their community generates its own
power, its<br>
>>own water and pretty much everything else it needs. It is a
real story<br>
>>of turning barren nothingness into a bountiful green
utopia.<br>
>><br>
>>But here is the kicker. The similarity to space conquest is
huge.<br>
>><br>
>>They go to a barren uninhabited wasteland and colonize it.<br>
>><br>
>>They see this triumph of human spirit as success. And compared
to the<br>
>>slums and wars of the rest of Columbia it is a huge
success.<br>
>><br>
>>But if you step back a bit and play devils advocate what is
the<br>
>>difference between what they did and what settlers did to
North<br>
>>America? The "barren grassland" they apparently
turned into something<br>
>>useful is purely a human centered view. I'm sure the grassland
felt<br>
>>plenty useful without us.<br>
>><br>
>>On the other hand the story of Gaviotas shows that the
inherent nature<br>
>>of humans is to expand and as long as there is space we will
expand<br>
>>into it. I don't think humans will ever say, "I'm fine
where I am, I<br>
>>don't need to know what is around that corner." Humans
are hell bent<br>
>>on getting into space just like Martha Stewart is hell bent
on<br>
>>becoming the leader of whatever there is to lead.<br>
>><br>
>>Now that there is so little more space to expand into on earth
it is<br>
>>natural we will expand into space. There was a time when
Africa was as<br>
>>foreign to Europeans as Mars is to us now. It certainly
wasn't<br>
>>"natural" for whites to live in Africa. And yet
humans have lived in<br>
>>geological extremes for our whole existence.<br>
>><br>
>>Saying space is not a natural place for humans is like an
Eskimo<br>
>>saying they aren't naturally built to live in the deserts
Nairobi.<br>
>>They would survive just fine after some adjustment.<br>
>><br>
>>Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
>><br>
>>Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA<br>
>><a
href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
>>22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:04 AM, JOHN SALMEN <<a
href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca">terrain@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> I didn't catch Martha or space travel, sounds like
everyone has been having<br>
>>> fun this week.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I don't find the greenbuilding/star travel combination
that farfetched. We<br>
>>> are the children of our culture and for Americans the
starwars generation<br>
>>> rules. The was the reinvigoration of mythic archetypes
for a few generations<br>
>>> and greenbuilding with its concern for meaning and
transformation (as well<br>
>>> as post apocalyptic obsession) fits just as well as space
travel.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Old bricks have for at least 20 years been worth a 1/3
more than new bricks<br>
>>> given peoples interest in having facades feel timeless
(another<br>
>>> anthropological oddity) - but not idiotic.<br>
>>><br>
>>> As for living walls... when I lived in ny I rented an old
boarded up<br>
>>> storefront at the base of a tenement between A&B. The
door to the back had<br>
>>> been boarded up for decades. When I bust it open I found
an avenue of wild<br>
>>> uninhabited lush greenery that stretched for the whole
street behind the</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>>>> tenements. Of course I
immediately gentrified it by cutting it down and<br>
>>> making a nice little patio and garden. Not sure the point
of that but<br>
>>> something to do with greenspaces in ny and gentrification
of ghettos (a form<br>
>>> of space travel at the time).<br>
>>><br>
>>> There is also a rule in permaculture - that if you can
care (as in keep<br>
>>> alive over time)a potted plant on your doorstep you can
then move off the<br>
>>> doorstep and enlarge your area of governance. Seems to me
this both applies<br>
>>> to living walls and space travel.<br>
>>><br>
>>> What is the thing with Martha - thought she was in
jail?<br>
>>><br>
>>> JOHN SALMEN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN<br>
>>> 4465 UPHILL RD,. DUNCAN, B.C. CANADA, V9L 6M7<br>
>> > PH 250 748 7672 FAX 250 748 7612 CELL 250 246 8541<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca">terrain@shaw.ca</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: <a
href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">
greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
>>> [ mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]
On Behalf Of Gennaro<br>
>>> Brooks-Church<br>
>>> Sent: February 10, 2011 6:45 PM<br>
>>> To: Green Building<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Martha Stewart<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've had living walls and space travel labeled a joke
this week on<br>
>>> this list. I remember being told green roofs were a joke.
I got called<br>
>>> an idiot just three years ago for salvaging bricks from a
dumpster.<br>
>>> Laugh on.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA<br>
>>> <a
href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Racheli Gai<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:racheli@sonoracohousing.com">
racheli@sonoracohousing.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> It's a joke, but a sinister one. It keeps many
people's gaze on places<br>
>>> far<br>
>>>> away, rather than caring<br>
>>>> for the ground under their feet. It also means that
lots of money is<br>
>>> spent<br>
>>>> chasing BS dreams, while<br>
>>>> we have homeless people; untold numbers with not
enough to eat, etc. etc.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Racheli.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Ron Cascio wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Any kind of escape to another planet is simply a
joke. Nothing more.<br>
>>> Let's<br>
>>>>> move on to something accomplishable.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ron<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corwyn"
<<a
href="mailto:corwyn@midcoast.com">corwyn@midcoast.com</a>><br>
>>>>> To: "Green Building" <<a
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">
greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:25 PM<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Martha Stewart<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 2/10/2011 1:47 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Corwyn my opinion is that we are not at
the point where we can<br>
>>>>>>> calculate numbers or make any conclusion
about whether we can or can<br>
>>>>>>> not colonize other planets. The
technology is not there. But if the<br>
>>>>>>> last century is any indication we could
be at a very different<br>
>>>>>>> technological point in another 100 years
(whether we are space<br>
>>>>>>> travelling or living in caves is another
question).<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Also, I never said anything about saving
the people on earth. I simply<br>
>>>>>>> said the survival of the human race.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Perhaps I just think that the idea of
murdering 6 Billion people so that<br>
>>>>>> a few elitist humans can escape their
self-made Armageddon to go live in<br>
>>>>>> a hell-hole of another planet, isn't worth
hoping for.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Any technology insufficient to help this
planet, won't allow anyone to<br>
>>>>>> live on another one.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thank You Kindly,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Corwyn<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> Topher Belknap<br>
>>>>>> Green Fret Consulting<br>
>>>>>> Kermit didn't know the half of it...<br>
>>>>>> <a
href="http://www.greenfret.com/">http://www.greenfret.com/</a><br>
>>>>>> <a
href="mailto:topher@greenfret.com">topher@greenfret.com</a><br>
>>>>>> (207) 882-7652<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>
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