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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Haven’t actually used it but have run by it, talked to them, seen samples, etc. It’s expensive—as I remember 2-3 times std pressure treated, but good, strong, effective, safe. Logistics can be a problem—getting small project-size shipments can be tricky and/or expensive without a local distributor (which is best as a lumber yard), of which there are very few.<BR>
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Kebony is a similar concept, operating b/w NC and Norway -- <a href="http://kebony.com">http://kebony.com</a>. This one we’ve dealt a few projects. They’re not doing FSC in US right now but are in Europe—if the market builds for it they will offer FSC here. It’s been used on a number of high-profile municipal projects like Bethany Beach, DE boardwalk and I think Coney Island or other Long Island boardwalks.<BR>
Has a nice dark brown color, kinda like Ipe. Will go gray but it’s just on the surface so just wash it to renew it.<BR>
General pricing:<BR>
2x6: $5/lf<BR>
5/4 board – 1.1”x 5.7” - $3.98/lf<BR>
They generally have 12, 14 and 16 foot long boards available.<BR>
And they will LTL ship project-size orders.<BR>
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On 4/8/11 9:55 AM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church" <<a href="info@ecobrooklyn.com">info@ecobrooklyn.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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Gennaro Brooks-Church<BR>
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22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<BR>
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Ron Cascio <<a href="roncascio@verizon.net">roncascio@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<BR>
> Once again, a domestic softwood, with class A fire rating;<BR>
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> <a href="http://www.timbersilwood.com/specifications.htm">http://www.timbersilwood.com/specifications.htm</a><BR>
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> I would suspect that this material in 1x or 5/4 would meet the weight test<BR>
> Gennaro needs also.<BR>
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> Ron<BR>
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> ----- Original Message -----<BR>
> From: Tim Vireo Keating<BR>
> To: Green Building ; Gennaro Brooks-Church<BR>
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 1:51 PM<BR>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] fireproof light deck<BR>
> Dear David and Gennaro,<BR>
> Brooklyn Bridge Forest is not necessarily any longer looking at greenheart.<BR>
> As well, it is unlikely that there will be any "sustainable" source of<BR>
> greenheart, ever. At least, not greenheart that would at all be durable,<BR>
> since, as I may have mentioned before, other than teak, almost all the<BR>
> tropical hardwoods imported into the US that are popular because of their<BR>
> durability get that durability from the fact that the wood is from trees<BR>
> that are 250 - 1000 years old. That is, they are extremely dense as a result<BR>
> of their age. Teak, on the other hand, has an inherent oiliness that gives<BR>
> it extreme durability. This inherent durability can come about even in much<BR>
> younger tress. The same is true of a few other species (I have mentioned, ad<BR>
> nauseam, black locust) that have inherent durability when even young.<BR>
> However, all domestic hardwoods have a Class B or C fire rating and thus do<BR>
> not solve Gennaro's problem.<BR>
> As far as recycled plastic lumber, I believe that Axion can add a spray-on<BR>
> fire retardant to their material. However, Axion recycled structural<BR>
> composites are not necessarily lighter than tropical hardwoods, so I don't<BR>
> know if that makes them too heavy for Gennaro's situation.<BR>
> I would be happy to contact Axion folks to find out if the flame-retarding<BR>
> coating is currently available and details about it (including the weight of<BR>
> the material).<BR>
> Of course, one would have to assess load-bearing capacities vs. profiles,<BR>
> since this would be different than wood, and then factor that into weight<BR>
> calculations.<BR>
> tim keating<BR>
> At 12:13 AM -0400 4/4/11, David Bergman wrote:<BR>
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> Gennaro,<BR>
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> Add "eco material" to that description and it becomes an old quest of mine.<BR>
> Are you talking about something to sit directly on the "real" roof? About<BR>
> the best I could come up with when I last tackled the question was<BR>
> lightweight concrete roof pavers -- not all that eco though maybe there are<BR>
> some made with flyash.<BR>
><BR>
> In terms of wood, NYC used to accept Ipe, but I heard a rumor they stopped<BR>
> when the fire rating claims didn't prove out. And, of course, there was the<BR>
> rainforest sourcing issue.<BR>
><BR>
> I've looked for fire-rated recycled plastic lumber from time to time, but<BR>
> have not yet found any. (Tim V-K: any updates you've heard of?)<BR>
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> There is a group called Brooklyn Bridge Forest (<BR>
> <a href="http://www.brooklynbridgeforest.com/">http://www.brooklynbridgeforest.com/</a>) that is trying to set up a sustainable<BR>
> source for greenheart for maintaining the Brooklyn Bridge. I'm not sure what<BR>
> kind of fire rating greenheart does or doesn't have. (According to one site<BR>
> I just googled, it carries a "high/medium" rating.)<BR>
><BR>
> David<BR>
> David Bergman RA LEED AP<BR>
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> At 08:01 PM 4/3/2011, Gennaro Brooks-Church wrote:<BR>
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> Hello,<BR>
> Can anyone suggest a lightweight non-combustible deck material for a roof<BR>
> deck?<BR>
> In New York a brownstone has an average flat roof of 700sq.ft. The law only<BR>
> allows 20% of it to be covered with combustible decking, which isn't much of<BR>
> a deck. Yet the non-combustible decking is too heavy for the old roofs.<BR>
> Suggestion?<BR>
><BR>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church<BR>
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> www.EcoBrooklyn.com<BR>
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<BR>
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