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<div>The problem with cedar that will actually last 40 years in ground
contact is that it is likely from old-growth. Young cedar doesn't last
nearly as long as the old-growth "clear" stuff. Which is why
Weyerhaeuser bought MacMillan Bloedel, then Canada's largest
forest-products company, to get access to the last stands of big
old-growth Western red cedar left in the world. Now they are the top
cedar provider. But it will soon be gone, since the second-growth
stuff didn't work for them (because it didn't work for the
user).</div>
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<div>RPL is often the way to go when looking for durability in
exterior applications.</div>
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<div>Sure, the cedar will eventually become part of Mother Earth, but
is that really what we're looking for? How about, when the project is
done, taking the material up and recycling it? No impact on forests at
all.</div>
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<div>tim keating</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I have been researching "raised garden
beds" and found that many groups were purporting CEDAR. Said
that it will last 40 years. (By then I won't care! And
it is organic!) So I have just constructed some 23-1/2" tall
cedar beds ) (2 - 2x12's) lined with ½" gopher wire (and
I have to get down into the beds and stitch the wire seams together to
prevent the gophers from climbing up between the seams, so they tell
me) . These 2'x4'x8' beds were going for about $400 EACH.
Well, I got all the wood, bolts, wire, etc. for about less than 1/3
that. Now, of course, I have to get them filled with good
organic compost, which hopefully will come next week, in time to plant
my summer vegetable garden. I'm also planting asparagus
- a 15-20 year crop on the back side.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Does concrete (i.e., concrete blocks)
have a chemical reaction with garden dirt - that could
affect the true "organic" state of the garden for
vegetables?</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Happy gardening!</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Kathy Cochran</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>San Andreas, California</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><b>From:</b>
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[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]<b> On Behalf
Of</b> Clarke Olsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Green Building<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] best lumber for raised vegetable
beds</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I've terraced my hillside garden with 4"
(x8" x16") concrete blocks. <br>
I don't glue/mortar them together, but stack them<br>
as usual with short lengths of wood (1"x1" locust) or rebar
through <br>
the core voids. Less work, durable, flexible, and<br>
definitely re-useable.<br>
<br>
Clarke Olsen<br>
373 route 203<br>
Spencertown, NY 12165<br>
USA<br>
518-392-4640<br>
colsen@fairpoint.net<br>
<br>
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On Apr 12, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Kat wrote:<br>
<br>
> I just watched this discussion happen with another group.
Try <br>
> straw bales or CMU blocks instead?<br>
><br>
> -Kat<br>
><br>
> candtcampbell@juno.com wrote:<br>
>> What type of wood, treated or otherwise, would y'all expect
to <br>
>> last longest in ground contact when used to make raised
vegetable <br>
>> garden beds? Or would y'all say recycled plastic lumber is
better <br>
>> for that application?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks very much.<br>
>><br>
>> Tim<br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
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