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<DIV><FONT size=4 face="Goudy Old Style">The planet cannot afford such
individuals with little regard for the rest of us. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face="Goudy Old Style">Ron</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gfx-ch@msn.com href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com">Carmine Vasile</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=richard6@gmail.com
href="mailto:richard6@gmail.com">Richard Garbary</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">GB Forum</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow
shower heads</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Richard: Your solution will not satisfy his wife because
she made him buy a multi-head shower withsix 6 2.5 gpm
showerheads. I received another inquiry from a homeowner with two
back-to-back units that would draw 30 gpm. His plumber suggested a commercial
boiler costing lots of money. Carmine<BR> <BR>
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Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:24:15 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow
shower heads<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:richard6@gmail.com">richard6@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com">gfx-ch@msn.com</A><BR>CC: <A
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>;
steve@tjiang.org; 9watts@gmail.com; erin@trmiles.com;
sacie.lambertson@gmail.com<BR><BR>
<DIV>To start with:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>= Keep the 40 gallon water heater. Cost: FREE</DIV>
<DIV>= Put in a 2.5 gal/ 9 liter shower head with flow control/shutoff. Cost:
~$10 - $50. This will save him 6x his current energy cost</DIV>
<DIV>= Add an insulation blanket. Cost: ~$20 - $30</DIV>
<DIV>= Put an insulation pad underneath the water heater. Cost: ~$10</DIV>
<DIV>= Insulate any exposed water pipes. Cost: ~$10 - $25</DIV>
<DIV>= Install a 50%-DHR system. Cost: ~$700 - $1,000. In combination with the
2.5 gal. shower head this will save him 12x his current energy cost!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>He'll never run out of hot water with this setup unless he as some other
bizarre hot water requirements. So tankless is NOT necessary. Heat loss
through a tank setup is minimal if properly insulated. He will not have to
upgrade his service $$$$$.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I would definitely NOT recommend a tankless electric/gas water
heater.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Richard</DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Carmine Vasile
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com">gfx-ch@msn.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Steve, Reuben & Richard: Last week I received a call from the owner
of a mult-head shower drawing 15 gpm of 105F water. He lives in North
Carolina and his 40 gallon electric tank-type water heater ran out of hot
water in a few minutes. I gave him my advice, install a tankless water
heater with a 50%-DHR system to halve the load by recycling heat wasted
down-the-drain. Solar is not an option. <BR> What would
your advice have been?<BR>Carmine<BR><BR>Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:40:29
-0700<BR>From: <A href="mailto:steve@tjiang.org">steve@tjiang.org</A><BR>To:
<A
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
<DIV class=ecxim><BR><BR>Terminology:A navy shower = turn on to wet skin;
turn off to soap; turn on to rinse.A hollywood shower = turn on full blast;
start singing; soap; turn off a the end.<BR><BR>A thermostatic value +
volume control is way better than a navy shower button because you can
adjust the volume down to a level just to keep you warm while soaping.
This may convince more people to actually use less water while
showering than the pure "Navy shower" approach. The downside is
thermostatic valves and volume controls setups are
expensive.<BR></DIV><snipped> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
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