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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Divorce Is Victory Over Remaining Constantly
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<A title=richard6@gmail.com href="mailto:richard6@gmail.com">Richard
Garbary</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">Green Building</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2011 6:38 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow
shower heads</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Oooops typo:
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<DIV>D.I.V.O.R.C.E.:</DIV>
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<DIV>DHR.Is.Victorious.Overcoming.Ridiculous.Consumer.Excesses.<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Richard Garbary <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:richard6@gmail.com">richard6@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>D.I.V.I.O.R.C.E.</DIV>DHR.Is.Victorious.Overcoming.Ridiculous.Consumer.Excesses.<BR>============================================================================================================<BR>
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<DIV class=h5>On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:43 PM, JOHN SALMEN <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca"
target=_blank>terrain@shaw.ca</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I was
trying to figure out the acronym for D.I.V.O.R.C.E.</SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Do It
Valiantly Over Reluctant Client Excesses?</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Do It
Victimlessly Over Recalcitrant Couples Excuses?</SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Must be
some better ones out there.</SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve
often wondered (after having to design numerous bathrooms that seemed
bigger than my house) what people are after in terms of bathing
experiences. My first multihead (12 – 6 per side) shower experience was in
a 1920’s bathroom in an upper east side building in manhattan – it wasn’t
that pleasant. Considering it was a large building that is quite a
water drain over 90 years to date. My best shower was actually a cold
water outdoor shower in yugoslavia (didn’t have the coins for the
immersion). My best bath was a in a public bath house in sibiu. My
worst bath was in an old cold farmhouse in England (where I didn’t have
enough coins for the electric meter).</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
[mailto:<A href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Richard Garbary<BR><B>Sent:</B> May-15-11 3:37
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Carmine Vasile<BR><B>Cc:</B> GB Forum</SPAN></P>
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<DIV><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower
heads</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Carmine:</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The only solution: D.I.V.O.R.C.E.!</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Tough client.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Regards,</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Richard</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Carmine Vasile <<A
href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com" target=_blank>gfx-ch@msn.com</A>>
wrote:</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Richard: Your solution will not satisfy his wife
because she made him buy a multi-head shower withsix 6 2.5 gpm
showerheads. I received another inquiry from a homeowner with two
back-to-back units that would draw 30 gpm. His plumber suggested a
commercial boiler costing lots of money. Carmine<BR> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:24:15 -0400</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower
heads</P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>From: <A href="mailto:richard6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>richard6@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com" target=_blank>gfx-ch@msn.com</A><BR>CC: <A
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>; <A
href="mailto:steve@tjiang.org" target=_blank>steve@tjiang.org</A>; <A
href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target=_blank>9watts@gmail.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com" target=_blank>erin@trmiles.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:sacie.lambertson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>sacie.lambertson@gmail.com</A></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>To start with:</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>= Keep the 40 gallon water heater. Cost: FREE</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>= Put in a 2.5 gal/ 9 liter shower head with flow
control/shutoff. Cost: ~$10 - $50. This will save him 6x his current
energy cost</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>= Add an insulation blanket. Cost: ~$20 - $30</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>= Put an insulation pad underneath the water heater.
Cost: ~$10</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>= Insulate any exposed water pipes. Cost: ~$10 -
$25</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>= Install a 50%-DHR system. Cost: ~$700 - $1,000. In
combination with the 2.5 gal. shower head this will save him 12x his
current energy cost!</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>He'll never run out of hot water with this setup unless
he as some other bizarre hot water requirements. So tankless is NOT
necessary. Heat loss through a tank setup is minimal if properly
insulated. He will not have to upgrade his service $$$$$.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I would definitely NOT recommend a tankless
electric/gas water heater.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Regards,</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Richard</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Carmine Vasile <<A
href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com" target=_blank>gfx-ch@msn.com</A>>
wrote:</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Steve, Reuben & Richard: Last week I received a
call from the owner of a mult-head shower drawing 15 gpm of 105F water. He
lives in North Carolina and his 40 gallon electric tank-type water heater
ran out of hot water in a few minutes. I gave him my advice, install a
tankless water heater with a 50%-DHR system to halve the load by recycling
heat wasted down-the-drain. Solar is not an option. <BR>
What would your advice have been?<BR>Carmine<BR><BR>Date: Fri, 13 May 2011
13:40:29 -0700<BR>From: <A href="mailto:steve@tjiang.org"
target=_blank>steve@tjiang.org</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>Terminology:A navy shower = turn on to wet
skin; turn off to soap; turn on to rinse.A hollywood shower = turn on full
blast; start singing; soap; turn off a the end.<BR><BR>A thermostatic
value + volume control is way better than a navy shower button
because you can adjust the volume down to a level just to keep you warm
while soaping. This may convince more people to actually use less
water while showering than the pure "Navy shower" approach. The
downside is thermostatic valves and volume controls setups are
expensive.</P></DIV>
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