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Why<br>
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The water goes right back into the ground. it's not like that water
is destroyed.<br>
now trying to start a fight I'm truly asking a valid (IMHO)
question.<br>
<br>
Lee<br>
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On 5/15/2011 3:13 PM, Ron Cascio wrote:
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<div><font face="Goudy Old Style" size="4">The planet cannot
afford such individuals with little regard for the rest of us.
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<div><font face="Goudy Old Style" size="4">Ron</font></div>
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0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="gfx-ch@msn.com"
href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com">Carmine Vasile</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="richard6@gmail.com"
href="mailto:richard6@gmail.com">Richard Garbary</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a
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title="greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">GB
Forum</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 15, 2011
4:59 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads</div>
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Richard: Your solution will not satisfy his wife because she
made him buy a multi-head shower withsix 6 2.5 gpm
showerheads. I received another inquiry from a homeowner with
two back-to-back units that would draw 30 gpm. His plumber
suggested a commercial boiler costing lots of money. Carmine<br>
<br>
<hr id="stopSpelling"> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:24:15 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:richard6@gmail.com">richard6@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com">gfx-ch@msn.com</a><br>
CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:steve@tjiang.org">steve@tjiang.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com">9watts@gmail.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com">erin@trmiles.com</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sacie.lambertson@gmail.com">sacie.lambertson@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div>To start with:</div>
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<div>= Keep the 40 gallon water heater. Cost: FREE</div>
<div>= Put in a 2.5 gal/ 9 liter shower head with flow
control/shutoff. Cost: ~$10 - $50. This will save him 6x his
current energy cost</div>
<div>= Add an insulation blanket. Cost: ~$20 - $30</div>
<div>= Put an insulation pad underneath the water heater. Cost:
~$10</div>
<div>= Insulate any exposed water pipes. Cost: ~$10 - $25</div>
<div>= Install a 50%-DHR system. Cost: ~$700 - $1,000. In
combination with the 2.5 gal. shower head this will save him
12x his current energy cost!</div>
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<div>He'll never run out of hot water with this setup unless he
as some other bizarre hot water requirements. So tankless is
NOT necessary. Heat loss through a tank setup is minimal if
properly insulated. He will not have to upgrade his service
$$$$$.</div>
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<div>I would definitely NOT recommend a tankless electric/gas
water heater.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Richard</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 5:10 PM,
Carmine Vasile <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gfx-ch@msn.com">gfx-ch@msn.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Steve, Reuben & Richard: Last week I received a
call from the owner of a mult-head shower drawing 15 gpm
of 105F water. He lives in North Carolina and his 40
gallon electric tank-type water heater ran out of hot
water in a few minutes. I gave him my advice, install a
tankless water heater with a 50%-DHR system to halve the
load by recycling heat wasted down-the-drain. Solar is not
an option. <br>
What would your advice have been?<br>
Carmine<br>
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Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:40:29 -0700<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@tjiang.org">steve@tjiang.org</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
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<br>
Terminology:A navy shower = turn on to wet skin; turn
off to soap; turn on to rinse.A hollywood shower = turn
on full blast; start singing; soap; turn off a the end.<br>
<br>
A thermostatic value + volume control is way better
than a navy shower button because you can adjust the
volume down to a level just to keep you warm while
soaping. This may convince more people to actually use
less water while showering than the pure "Navy shower"
approach. The downside is thermostatic valves and
volume controls setups are expensive.<br>
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