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<DIV><FONT size=4 face="Goudy Old Style">Thanks Reuben. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face="Goudy Old Style">Ron</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=9watts@gmail.com href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com">Reuben Deumling</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow
shower heads</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, lee Weaver <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:lgweaver@gmail.com">lgweaver@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=im>>>I am not preoccupied with costs in financial terms as
much as in the materials and energy that are ground up in the process. Low
entropy isn't something you can buy back with money.<BR><BR></DIV>This may
be the statement that may "Shine a light" for me. Are there non
sustainable materials used in purification?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>yes, pretty much everything. How about the electricity to run pumps for
starters? The materials that are locked in every bit of infrastructure:
rubber, steel, aluminum, plastics, copper... take your pick. It is all being
mined and degraded and dispersed. Do you imagine that the rubber that wears
off the water bureau's truck's tires is collected, scraped off the asphalt,
and somehow allowed to reenter the tire-making process? We don't even do a
very good job of collecting the worn out tires themselves. Not to mention the
energy required to separate the steel belting out of the crumbly rubber. You
probably realize that the favorite poster child of the recycling industry, the
aluminum soft drink can, isn't actually recycled back into aluminum soft drink
cans? The alloy of the lid and the alloy of the rest of the can are
sufficiently different that when you smash them up you get an alloy that is
not useful to make either the lid or the can body. So, what does the aluminum
recycling industry make out of ground up soft drink cans? Window frames that
leak heat and engine blocks that disperse it. <BR>Pass the entropy, please.
I'd like another helping.<BR></DIV>
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class=gmail_quote><BR>I'm not worrying about the energy since i believe that
we will soon solve the energy issues we have, and finally break free
of fossil fuel consumption.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>Ah, I see. Yes, well.
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Care to elaborate? Do you have a timetable in mind when
you say 'soon'? <BR></FONT></STRONG></DIV><BR></DIV>
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