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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sorry, I can't help but chime in here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"Soon as in as soon as as soon as we ensure that politics stop getting in the way..."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You're waiting for THAT? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dude, I don't think you're paying close enough attention to what's going on. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>lee Weaver<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>>Care to elaborate? Do you have a timetable in mind when you say 'soon'? <br><br>Soon as in as soon as as soon as we ensure that politics stop getting in the way. All politics, all agendas need to be set aside and it needs to be focused upon. then it will be solved. This won't be easy as the big Oil coal companies will fight it tooth and nail.<br><br>>>So, what does the aluminum recycling industry make out of ground up soft drink cans?<br><br>Doing my part here i haven't drank soda in years.<br><br>>>Do you imagine that the rubber that wears off the water bureau's truck's tires is collected, scraped off the asphalt, and somehow allowed to reenter the tire-making process? <br><br>You have me there. and I see no way at this time to replace that rubber with a more sustainable alternative, but I'm no expert in the field. I wouldn't call me an expert an the 'Green' area of knowledge either, that's why i read the lists and from time to time ask questions. like I did this time.<br><br>When I asked "Are there non sustainable materials used in purification?" I was actually referring to the actual purification processing not the infrastructure that is in most cases already in place, and lasts for a long time.<br><br>Lee<br>On 5/18/2011 11:13 AM, Reuben Deumling wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, lee Weaver <<a href="mailto:lgweaver@gmail.com">lgweaver@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>>>I am not preoccupied with costs in financial terms as much as in the materials and energy that are ground up in the process. Low entropy isn't something you can buy back with money.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>This may be the statement that may "Shine a light" for me. Are there non sustainable materials used in purification?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>yes, pretty much everything. How about the electricity to run pumps for starters? The materials that are locked in every bit of infrastructure: rubber, steel, aluminum, plastics, copper... take your pick. It is all being mined and degraded and dispersed. Do you imagine that the rubber that wears off the water bureau's truck's tires is collected, scraped off the asphalt, and somehow allowed to reenter the tire-making process? We don't even do a very good job of collecting the worn out tires themselves. Not to mention the energy required to separate the steel belting out of the crumbly rubber. You probably realize that the favorite poster child of the recycling industry, the aluminum soft drink can, isn't actually recycled back into aluminum soft drink cans? The alloy of the lid and the alloy of the rest of the can are sufficiently different that when you smash them up you get an alloy that is not useful to make either the lid or the can body. So, what does the aluminum recycling industry make out of ground up soft drink cans? Window frames that leak heat and engine blocks that disperse it. <br>Pass the entropy, please. I'd like another helping.<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><br>I'm not worrying about the energy since i believe that we will soon solve the energy issues we have, and finally break free of fossil fuel consumption.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ah, I see. Yes, well. <br><br><br><br><br>Care to elaborate? Do you have a timetable in mind when you say 'soon'? <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Greenbuilding mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>